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#26 Posted : 02 October 2012 18:06:20(UTC)
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Several points, I',m not sure who I'm replying to if anyone or even if it's the same thread. Nevertheless:

1) People are upset with Hooky behaving in a boorish, agressive, confrontational, twattish manner? When has he behaved in any other way, except now it's aimed at former bandmembers instead of the rest of the world? He had always played the agressive part, he just hasn't adapted well to the digital age (he seems to acknowledge it in this very interview).
2) Barney actually did say that Hooky playing full NO albums spurred him to reform New Order, in one of the gazillion interviews given since the reunion. It was an online interview, printed not video, can't remember which exactly right now.
3) Why on earth should Steve play the mediating part or any other part or anything apart from the drums is beyond me.


1) Exactly.
2) The GQ magazine also referenced it, and I posted it a bit earlier, but Mike seemed to miss it.
3) The comments I usually see about Steve on NOOL (and other places) from the beginning of the breakup and on, is that he's in the middle, and is an unfortunate victim to the Hooky/Barney fight... as if he's the unsuspecting child between a bitter divorce... I just think its ridiculous. Tony is missed, and I wish Seve could have stepped up and taken his place as mediator, as it surely seems as if he could have taken on that role.


and as for those that keep saying "well its Hooky's fault he left the band"... you're missing a much larger point on WHY did he leave? Its not because things were peachy and great... He wanted to tour, the others did not... he wanted to play older music, the others did not... in short, he wanted to be NO on the road, and the others did not... so he leaves to tour, and then the others start desiring to tour because he left... I think he has a bit of right to be irritated by that.
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ROCKET MICK on 03/10/2012(UTC)
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68Pontiac wrote:
Jul wrote:
Several points, I',m not sure who I'm replying to if anyone or even if it's the same thread. Nevertheless:

1) People are upset with Hooky behaving in a boorish, agressive, confrontational, twattish manner? When has he behaved in any other way, except now it's aimed at former bandmembers instead of the rest of the world? He had always played the agressive part, he just hasn't adapted well to the digital age (he seems to acknowledge it in this very interview).
2) Barney actually did say that Hooky playing full NO albums spurred him to reform New Order, in one of the gazillion interviews given since the reunion. It was an online interview, printed not video, can't remember which exactly right now.
3) Why on earth should Steve play the mediating part or any other part or anything apart from the drums is beyond me.


1) Exactly.
2) The GQ magazine also referenced it, and I posted it a bit earlier, but Mike seemed to miss it.
3) The comments I usually see about Steve on NOOL (and other places) from the beginning of the breakup and on, is that he's in the middle, and is an unfortunate victim to the Hooky/Barney fight... as if he's the unsuspecting child between a bitter divorce... I just think its ridiculous. Tony is missed, and I wish Seve could have stepped up and taken his place as mediator, as it surely seems as if he could have taken on that role.


and as for those that keep saying "well its Hooky's fault he left the band"... you're missing a much larger point on WHY did he leave? Its not because things were peachy and great... He wanted to tour, the others did not... he wanted to play older music, the others did not... in short, he wanted to be NO on the road, and the others did not... so he leaves to tour, and then the others start desiring to tour because he left... I think he has a bit of right to be irritated by that.



Yes he left and now the others are touring and playing the songs they wantnto without the angst that he brought to the party. They seem a lot happier without him and his ego. I started to become concerned at finsbury park when he was all over the stage with his look at me attitude.
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68Pontiac wrote:

and as for those that keep saying "well its Hooky's fault he left the band"... you're missing a much larger point on WHY did he leave? Its not because things were peachy and great... He wanted to tour, the others did not... he wanted to play older music, the others did not... in short, he wanted to be NO on the road, and the others did not... so he leaves to tour, and then the others start desiring to tour because he left... I think he has a bit of right to be irritated by that.


OK, but is it really public knowledge the exact reasons why Hooky left? This is still conjecture - the 'Barney didn't want to tour' theory may be part of the equation, but I doubt its anything near the whole story - another reason could be connected to publishing/royalty percentages, or so several have suggested here. They did an entire gig of JD songs in 2006 or thereabouts, and have played plenty (too much?) JD in their sets since 1998, so the theory about the others not wanting to play older music doesn't seem to apply.

Given Barney has been touring quite a bit since Hooky left (both with BL and NO), do you think it's possible that Barney does enjoy playing live, but just not with Hooky? Sure, that would be irritating and maybe hurtful for Hooky to see this, but if his behaviour really has been like this the whole time (ie his behaviour within the band and how he now comes across in the press since he left), I can understand someone feeling liberated by not working with someone like that!
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CTB wrote:
Given Barney has been touring quite a bit since Hooky left (both with BL and NO), do you think it's possible that Barney does enjoy playing live, but just not with Hooky? Sure, that would be irritating and maybe hurtful for Hooky to see this, but if his behaviour really has been like this the whole time (ie his behaviour within the band and how he now comes across in the press since he left), I can understand someone feeling liberated by not working with someone like that!


Alternatively, Barney might be a right mare to work with? And Hooky was the only other member of the band who challenged that?

Bottom line is probably that Barney and Hooky just rubbed each other up the wrong way (not the fault of either party, it's just one of those things in life). Stephen (and Gillian) needed a good think about which way they were gonna side, and decided to go with Barney as that seemed the more obvious choice what with him being the lead singer. Perfectly sensible business decision from the Other Two. Little more than that.

Anyway, on to another point, why is everyone here so suddenly concerned with Barney's happiness? It amazes me, how many times this has come up, people posting gig reports basically saying, "Well, at least the band look happy now." I don't really give a shit if Barney's happy or not. What's it got to do with me? Or indeed, anyone else? If I'd seen New Order as a youngster and Barney was some happy-clappy dick, and there was no edge to the music whatsoever, no air of indifference, or indeed menace, then I doubt I'd have become such a fan. It was the group's dynamic (good or bad) which got me onboard in the first instance.

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El Jarvo wrote:
CTB wrote:
Given Barney has been touring quite a bit since Hooky left (both with BL and NO), do you think it's possible that Barney does enjoy playing live, but just not with Hooky? Sure, that would be irritating and maybe hurtful for Hooky to see this, but if his behaviour really has been like this the whole time (ie his behaviour within the band and how he now comes across in the press since he left), I can understand someone feeling liberated by not working with someone like that!


Alternatively, Barney might be a right mare to work with? And Hooky was the only other member of the band who challenged that?

Bottom line is probably that Barney and Hooky just rubbed each other up the wrong way (not the fault of either party, it's just one of those things in life). Stephen (and Gillian) needed a good think about which way they were gonna side, and decided to go with Barney as that seemed the more obvious choice what with him being the lead singer. Perfectly sensible business decision from the Other Two. Little more than that.

Anyway, on to another point, why is everyone here so suddenly concerned with Barney's happiness? It amazes me, how many times this has come up, people posting gig reports basically saying, "Well, at least the band look happy now." I don't really give a shit if Barney's happy or not. What's it got to do with me? Or indeed, anyone else? If I'd seen New Order as a youngster and Barney was some happy-clappy dick, and there was no edge to the music whatsoever, no air of indifference, or indeed menace, then I doubt I'd have become such a fan. It was the group's dynamic (good or bad) which got me onboard in the first instance.


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El Jarvo wrote:
Alternatively, Barney might be a right mare to work with? And Hooky was the only other member of the band who challenged that?


A bit of a diva, as they say on xfactor Evil

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Stephen (and Gillian) needed a good think about which way they were gonna side, and decided to go with Barney as that seemed the more obvious choice what with him being the lead singer. Perfectly sensible business decision from the Other Two. Little more than that.


That seems fairly plausible....
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Cranelane wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
Alternatively, Barney might be a right mare to work with? And Hooky was the only other member of the band who challenged that?


A bit of a diva, as they say on xfactor Evil

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Stephen (and Gillian) needed a good think about which way they were gonna side, and decided to go with Barney as that seemed the more obvious choice what with him being the lead singer. Perfectly sensible business decision from the Other Two. Little more than that.


That seems fairly plausible....



I don't know how Bernard is in private, or how he works, or whether he has a 'diva' attitude or not...in fact I don't care. But at least he has the courtesy to generally watch what he says to the press.
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El Jarvo wrote:
CTB wrote:
Given Barney has been touring quite a bit since Hooky left (both with BL and NO), do you think it's possible that Barney does enjoy playing live, but just not with Hooky? Sure, that would be irritating and maybe hurtful for Hooky to see this, but if his behaviour really has been like this the whole time (ie his behaviour within the band and how he now comes across in the press since he left), I can understand someone feeling liberated by not working with someone like that!


Alternatively, Barney might be a right mare to work with? And Hooky was the only other member of the band who challenged that?

Bottom line is probably that Barney and Hooky just rubbed each other up the wrong way (not the fault of either party, it's just one of those things in life). Stephen (and Gillian) needed a good think about which way they were gonna side, and decided to go with Barney as that seemed the more obvious choice what with him being the lead singer. Perfectly sensible business decision from the Other Two. Little more than that.

Anyway, on to another point, why is everyone here so suddenly concerned with Barney's happiness? It amazes me, how many times this has come up, people posting gig reports basically saying, "Well, at least the band look happy now." I don't really give a shit if Barney's happy or not. What's it got to do with me? Or indeed, anyone else? If I'd seen New Order as a youngster and Barney was some happy-clappy dick, and there was no edge to the music whatsoever, no air of indifference, or indeed menace, then I doubt I'd have become such a fan. It was the group's dynamic (good or bad) which got me onboard in the first instance.


Take a look at Bernard & Hooky's collaborations away from New Order to see who's easy to work with and who's a mare. Not difficult to work out when you think about it.Yeah I bet that Johnny Marr's a right door mat. And therefore not difficult to understand why Steve & Gillian made the decision they made, unless you're seeing something in the Gillian-Hooky axis I'm missing.

We can long for them to have the same demeanour as in the 80s but not sure it's realistic. Them
enjoying what they're doing means its more likely they're going to carry on. Compare that with the open war fare we witnessed in 2006 and it's a good position they're in now.
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El Jarvo wrote:
Stephen (and Gillian) needed a good think about which way they were gonna side, and decided to go with Barney as that seemed the more obvious choice what with him being the lead singer. Perfectly sensible business decision from the Other Two. Little more than that.


To be honest, I don't think it's that simple.

From previous interviews and sound bites, it seems evident that Gillian and Hooky don't get on particularly well. Hooky's recent interview quotes about her being a "poor musician" and "not really contributing that much" are all over the web. There's also that infamous "sexist pig" remark from a good few years back. Can't think why she wouldn't want to side with him?

So on the surface (and I'm not making any judgements, each to their own etc.) Hooky doesn't seem get on with either Bernard or Gillian = half the band.

I agree with you regarding Bernard's "happiness" though, sometimes musicians make their best work when they're pissed off. Alternatively though, lack of happiness can sometimes push them into not making any music for a long time.

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But Bernard and Hooky not getting on is old hat isn't? I thought I saw that by 1987 they had separate dressing areas because they were grating on each other's nerves. Regardless, I think Hooky dug a ditch with his remarks about Gillian. I have always felt she added a necessary balance to the sound mix on the 80s albums (sans Movement). her work with Steve at the Other Two reveals true muscianship unless you are going to try and tell me Steve did everything...which I would not necessary doubt, but she understands music pretty good.

As a side note, I love the return of live keys to the live show -- especially on Regret which sounds so majestic with her keys in the middle. Same goes for the entire set, but when I heard the Troxy show - I picked that out in about 5 seconds as a "Wow this sounds so much better than 05."
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Hooky speaks out in rare interview shock.
I like Hooky. I like The Light. I also like showers with Melanie C while Cameron Diaz poohs on my face. But I think his comments here and elsewhere undermining The Other Two's contributions to the New Order cannon are more a reflection of his own shit-stirring tactics than the reality. For a start, pinpointing exactly how much an individual gives to a song is harder than my vicar's tackle during Grange Hill, which is why most artists don't bother - the classic example is Lennon-McCartney which was used as a kind of fits-all moniker, though it's obvious that (for example) Yesterday is a Paul track, Give Peace a Chance a John track. Plus I've read Procession was mainly Steve's... World in Motion was mainly Gillian's on the basis of her and Steve's Reportage theme (Bernard, 'This may be the way of the future')... Avalanche is The Other Two, surely... And on all releases from 87 to 97 (I'm including the Rest Of and Video 586 'cause I'm a silly little arse) Hooky is the least present, but this is probably more to do with poptastic limpwristed producers than his initial contribution. (The obvious case is Hague on Republic... In '92 Hook said the new album would be rockier anbd in 93 he told a guitar mag he liked to feed a bassline into the equipment then play over it, but Hague hadn't used his overtracking on songs like World.)
Anyway I've heard that many people use the Internet and there isn't much on it. So if Melanie C is reading this, please PM me for further information. This also applies to Cameron Diaz.
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I'm guessing if Melanie C guested with The Light then Mike would be very pleased.
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The Light should tour The Other Two and You with Melanie C on vocals.
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Michael Monkhouse wrote:
The Light should tour The Other Two and You with Melanie C on vocals.


Meet n greet afterwards where you pay extra for Mel C to poo on your face? Or does um, Cameron Diaz have to be there for that bit?
(VIP package = Very Important Poo)

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Michael Monkhouse wrote:
The Light should tour The Other Two and You with Melanie C on vocals.


Meet n greet afterwards where you pay extra for Mel C to poo on your face? Or does um, Cameron Diaz have to be there for that bit?
(VIP package = Very Important Poo)


for years mel c has been pooing in people's ears for free through the medium of radio, an impressive skill.
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Cameron Diaz is one of the few ladies who can remain fully-clothed and still earn my man-milk. Well done!
My worst wank was Melanie C on TFI Friday. Thanks to misuse of the pause function I shot my wad all over Chris Evans. I would, in the words of Melanie herself, Never Be The same again... Still, no use crying over spilt milk.
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The Light should tour The Other Two and You with Melanie C on vocals.


Don't give the Light any more ideas about touring! LOL.
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Cameron Diaz is one of the few ladies who can remain fully-clothed and still earn my man-milk. Well done!
My worst wank was Melanie C on TFI Friday. Thanks to misuse of the pause function I shot my wad all over Chris Evans. I would, in the words of Melanie herself, Never Be The same again... Still, no use crying over spilt milk.
I use this story to break the ice at parties. I haven't been invited to a party since my 3-year-old nephew's birthday.

Does anyone know the best way to clean up recently-spat-from-laughing coffee from a PC keyboard?
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Cameron Diaz is one of the few ladies who can remain fully-clothed and still earn my man-milk. Well done!
My worst wank was Melanie C on TFI Friday. Thanks to misuse of the pause function I shot my wad all over Chris Evans. I would, in the words of Melanie herself, Never Be The same again... Still, no use crying over spilt milk.
I use this story to break the ice at parties. I haven't been invited to a party since my 3-year-old nephew's birthday.


LOL. Eek
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