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Originally Posted by: is it bro But it's NOT hopeless If you take less
Still can't work out the line before fiscal climate. I'm hearing "But it's not helpless if you take risks" Might be incorrect but it makes sense.
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Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Originally Posted by: is it bro But it's NOT hopeless If you take less
Still can't work out the line before fiscal climate. I'm hearing "But it's not helpless if you take risks" Might be incorrect but it makes sense. But can you buy honey with money?
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Originally Posted by: Rorschach I remember the first time I listened to Technique.
I went into college the next day & said "7/10. Not bad but not brilliant." :-/
It very quickly, rightly and permanently became my favourite album of all time.
First impressions can bite you - it'll be funny reading these assessments again in a year or two... True. And even before that, when Fine Time came out I thought the LP was going to be a bit wacky. It didn't exactly portend the strength of the songwriting on Technique. If the band's work ethic had been better that summer, perhaps Fine Time would have continued the non-LP single tradition. As it stands, New Order may just be following the Rob Gretton philosophy of not releasing the best track as the first single, "...because where do you go from there?".
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Described in today's metro as Johnny Marr meets the pet shop boys , New orders chugging along new single. That's the first time I've heard a new , new order song on me phone progress. Be a success
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Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: Rorschach I remember the first time I listened to Technique.
I went into college the next day & said "7/10. Not bad but not brilliant." :-/
It very quickly, rightly and permanently became my favourite album of all time.
First impressions can bite you - it'll be funny reading these assessments again in a year or two... True. And even before that, when Fine Time came out I thought the LP was going to be a bit wacky. It didn't exactly portend the strength of the songwriting on Technique. If the band's work ethic had been better that summer, perhaps Fine Time would have continued the non-LP single tradition. As it stands, New Order may just be following the Rob Gretton philosophy of not releasing the best track as the first single, "...because where do you go from there?". But if you take that line of thinking, if you think what you've heard so far is shite, why would you want to buy an album of the same? I'm hoping the rest of the album is going to be a lot better, I'm going to the Brixton show and I know N.O.can be contrary when it comes to live shows so if they're going to do an evening of mostly new stuff, I hope its going to be semi-decent.
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Hi, I used to post here around 2005-2007, but lost my login after the forum updates. Still check the topics from time to time, and I'm glad there's new music to discuss.
I think Restless is really good, and it does remind me a lot of Technique, especially the synth tones and blend of acoustic and electric guitars. There's an effortless quality to it, whereas WFTSC on the whole felt quite labored, even in its highlights. For late Barney lyrics they aren't half bad either. I see it as told from the perspective of disgruntled youths growing up under Cameron / Osborne austerity. The chords and driving rhythm recall both Dream Attack and Tighten Up. I really like the mix; there are many instrumental flourishes without the song ever feeling claustrophobic. (In particular I'm relishing the active hi hat work on Steve's acoustic kit.) Noting here that the bass is more modern and American sounding -- all of Hooky's chorus effects have been deliberately dropped, even if the verse register gives the bass a 'lead' section. Favorite instrumental moment in the Youtube mix is those synth strings at 3:02-3:04. And finally, Barney sounds much more comfortable in his wizened older man voice -- things had been getting a bit honky here and there since 2001.
I know when hearing new music by Bernard and co. there's an air among New Order fans of, "Are we just being charitable about any half decent effort, when we're all pining for some exclamatory, seismic hit?" but I don't feel like I'm trying to like Restless. I think it's rather immediate, direct yet thoughtful, and very pretty all around. It's not a classic, but it sounds close enough to optimal New Order that it's refreshing, instead of mimicking contrivances like "Jet Stream" and the like.
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Originally Posted by: Ken Doherty Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: Rorschach I remember the first time I listened to Technique.
I went into college the next day & said "7/10. Not bad but not brilliant." :-/
It very quickly, rightly and permanently became my favourite album of all time.
First impressions can bite you - it'll be funny reading these assessments again in a year or two... True. And even before that, when Fine Time came out I thought the LP was going to be a bit wacky. It didn't exactly portend the strength of the songwriting on Technique. If the band's work ethic had been better that summer, perhaps Fine Time would have continued the non-LP single tradition. As it stands, New Order may just be following the Rob Gretton philosophy of not releasing the best track as the first single, "...because where do you go from there?". But if you take that line of thinking, if you think what you've heard so far is shite, why would you want to buy an album of the same? I'm hoping the rest of the album is going to be a lot better, I'm going to the Brixton show and I know N.O.can be contrary when it comes to live shows so if they're going to do an evening of mostly new stuff, I hope its going to be semi-decent. I haven't said I don't like it (I do, and have purchased the track), nor have said I won't buy the album.
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So I soaked it in today, 20 plus listens on the drive from my house to Philadelphia for work. After many listens, I can truthfully say I like it. The lyrics could be stronger, in fact, during one listen, I tried re-writing a few couplets to see if I could improve them. Musically, it is an established act playing to its strengths - Steve's drum work, as someone else noted, is really good especially the hi-hat work; Bernard and Phil's mix of acoustic and electric guitars does recall elements of Bad Loo, but also hearken back to Technique in some ways; the strings are a nice polished addition to the mix; and finally Gillian's keyboard work and programming meshes well into the final mix. It has a lot going on in it for sure, but would echo earlier comments that it does not feel claustrophobic at all. As for me, the outro is brilliant -- it really soars and has an energy to it that portends well for the album as a whole in my opinion.
As for the "Is it a single?" debate, I for one no longer believe in the myth of a big lead single in the current music model, especially with established bands like New Order. They have an established market and new listens come in different ways, i.e. not from music videos or traditional radio play. You seek out music you like and check things that seem interesting to you whether its via Spotify, Apple Music or some other music streaming service. A new track from New Order will get spun on various 'stations' or recommended new mixes for consumers. The band chose a song and put it into the world -- call it a single or an InstantGrat track to appease the hardcore fan's interest. I look at other established artists such as The Cure, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, etc. Can anyone really name their last singles? Probably not, because the single simply does not matter anymore.
To the casual fan, this song has the hallmarks of a New Order track....and it's new, so that alone may pique their interest. All of us already pre-ordered the album, the band need not worry about us. Of course, they want us to like it, to share it, to tweet about it. I have and will. As for the album, we will all find that favorite track -- even the people who hated WFTSC found that one track. I'll take a new album with solid music from my favorite band any day over something else.
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I really like it after a few listens. Easily better than anything off WFTSC. The car/girlfriend line does annoy me slightly but there has been much worse. The production is pretty good too, classic NO sounds meshing really well and another round of applause for Steve, bloody great drum work!
I must admit i'm a bit concerned about the 'dance' production on some of the rest of the album, it may be fine in context but some of those snippets sounded a bit too plastic. If you know what i mean?! Wish they'd break out the old analog synths. That shit low synth hum, used on this track at the start and liberally on WFTSC is crap!!
Apart from that though, all good! Sure it'll be fine!
No ones really mentioned Hooky much, would it be much better with him on it? I don't really think it would sound massively different, maybe just a slightly louder chorusier bass! I'd love to know what he makes of it.
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Originally Posted by: Rorschach There are definitely subtle female backing vox on the chorus, which to my ear sound like Gillian from her TO2 stuff - this isn't one of the tracks EJ is supposed to be backing on. Well she favourited this tweet.
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I doubt it's Gillian. The funny thing about NO songs is they normally sound 'meh' first time around but you get into 'em gradually. I'll put this on heavy rotation and get back to you after the wankend... I thought Singularity was stronger but maybe it was too epic for a single. I remember 'Make It Happen' was mooted as a trailer single but it was too long and the edit lost the ooomph, so they settled for the comparative safety of 'Vivid'. Let's think positive. We can always console ourselves with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99BQNRU8BMI...
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After listening to the song for the past 2 days so many times it is a very good song and it grows on you after a couple of listens, i like the single shorter version that the longer one. I would give the song 3.75 out of 5 stars.
I bought the single from the US Amazon store but I like the UK shorter single version more and it is not avaiable in the US , does any one know how I can get the restless single version, if the US Amazon store had it I would definately get it I don't mind paying money for anything by NO but it is not available no where besides the UK store, can someone help me out with it, Thanks |
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Got my head around the song a bit more now.Downloaded the longer version.It's ok but still trying to get my head round why they would choose this as first single/trailer whatever you want to call it.I mean if it's more of a trailer for the album as opposed to a " first single from the album" you still think they'd of chosen something that grabs the attention more on first listen but maybe their intentions will become more apparent in time. Why they chose Chris Evans' Radio 2 breakfast show for the exclusive first play is something that i'll never understand.It's a foregone conclusion that Evans would talk his inane crap over the intro and then cut it off after a couple of minutes to talk more shite.And that's exactly what he did - I looked up the show Restless was premiered on iplayer radio catch up.Can't imagine his listeners would be remotely interested in a new New Order song .Truly baffling choice to give first dibs to Evans.
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse I doubt it's Gillian. The funny thing about NO songs is they normally sound 'meh' first time around but you get into 'em gradually. I'll put this on heavy rotation and get back to you after the wankend... I thought Singularity was stronger but maybe it was too epic for a single. I remember 'Make It Happen' was mooted as a trailer single but it was too long and the edit lost the ooomph, so they settled for the comparative safety of 'Vivid'. Let's think positive. We can always console ourselves with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99BQNRU8BMI... I'm 99% sure it is Gillian singing having vocal on bridge and chorus. Who else would it be? Decent song 4/5. It's didn't grab me to start with but has slowly worked its way into my subconscious.
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse I doubt it's Gillian. The funny thing about NO songs is they normally sound 'meh' first time around but you get into 'em gradually. I'll put this on heavy rotation and get back to you after the wankend... I thought Singularity was stronger but maybe it was too epic for a single. I remember 'Make It Happen' was mooted as a trailer single but it was too long and the edit lost the ooomph, so they settled for the comparative safety of 'Vivid'. Let's think positive. We can always console ourselves with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99BQNRU8BMI... Oh man. I cannot unsee that video. Nothing says phoning it in like John Lydon sitting and signing lyrics off a piece of paper. Edited by user 30 July 2015 07:22:34(UTC)
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I listened to this several times during in the last couple of days. The music is great, and reminds me of WFTSC. I like the drumming and orchestration and guitars...it all sounds very very good!
What I can't however get past is the vocals. Bernard's lower register does not work on this track (although it has worked before on "Behind Closed Doors"). In certain parts of the songs, it sounds like he's about to lose his voice. Lyrically not that great either. Let's hope for better album tracks.
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Originally Posted by: Linus Solanki After listening to the song for the past 2 days so many times it is a very good song and it grows on you after a couple of listens, i like the single shorter version that the longer one. I would give the song 3.75 out of 5 stars.
I bought the single from the US Amazon store but I like the UK shorter single version more and it is not avaiable in the US , does any one know how I can get the restless single version, if the US Amazon store had it I would definately get it I don't mind paying money for anything by NO but it is not available no where besides the UK store, can someone help me out with it, Thanks Don't think the edit is available anywhere. No doubt distributed (digitally?) to stations for radio play. Guess it might be available with the remixes package in October..?
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Originally Posted by: Linus Solanki After listening to the song for the past 2 days so many times it is a very good song and it grows on you after a couple of listens, i like the single shorter version that the longer one. I would give the song 3.75 out of 5 stars.
I bought the single from the US Amazon store but I like the UK shorter single version more and it is not avaiable in the US , does any one know how I can get the restless single version, if the US Amazon store had it I would definately get it I don't mind paying money for anything by NO but it is not available no where besides the UK store, can someone help me out with it, Thanks Don't think the edit is available anywhere. No doubt distributed (digitally?) to stations for radio play. Guess it might be available with the remixes package in October..? The UK Amazon and UK Itunes has it but I am unable to purchase it since I live overseas otherwise I would have bought it in an instant. |
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Well it has certainly polarized opinion. The comments on New Order's Facebook alternate equally between people loving it and others hating, one person even claiming to have cancelled their pre order of the album on the basis of his or her dislike for Restless. The song was reviewed very positively on 6Music Roundtable tonight by Ed Byrne, Janice Long and Paul Smith (Maximo Park).Listen here First song reviewed- Go to about 1 minute 10 seconds Edited by user 30 July 2015 11:18:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Linus Solanki The UK Amazon and UK Itunes has it but I am unable to purchase it since I live overseas otherwise I would have bought it in an instant. iTunes only has the full length version here (UK) Linus, looks like I'll need to buy the edited version from Amazon although I have to say I prefer the longer version. Somehow it just feels more complete, musically!
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The UK Amazon and UK Itunes has it but I am unable to purchase it since I live overseas otherwise I would have bought it in an instant.
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Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Got my head around the song a bit more now.Downloaded the longer version.It's ok but still trying to get my head round why they would choose this as first single/trailer whatever you want to call it.I mean if it's more of a trailer for the album as opposed to a " first single from the album" you still think they'd of chosen something that grabs the attention more on first listen but maybe their intentions will become more apparent in time. Why they chose Chris Evans' Radio 2 breakfast show for the exclusive first play is something that i'll never understand.It's a foregone conclusion that Evans would talk his inane crap over the intro and then cut it off after a couple of minutes to talk more shite.And that's exactly what he did - I looked up the show Restless was premiered on iplayer radio catch up.Can't imagine his listeners would be remotely interested in a new New Order song .Truly baffling choice to give first dibs to Evans. cause they are new order. gretton is loving it. |
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Don't think the edit is available anywhere. No doubt distributed (digitally?) to stations for radio play. Guess it might be available with the remixes package in October..? The 4:31 edit is available to buy from a few digital stores in lossless quality: Juno Download. BeatPort Pro.Qobuz. The 5:28 version on Amazon US appears to be the same as the freebie MP3 given away with the pre-orders. As for the tune, it's definitely grown on me. I really like it. Edited by user 30 July 2015 23:53:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Music4Pleasure The music is great, and reminds me of WFTSC. Non sequitur?
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