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Johnny James		#26 Posted : 25 September 2015 02:25:09(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Qobuz is also showing the following: Movement (2015 Remaster) Power, Corruption & Lies (2015 Remaster) Low-life (2015 Remaster) Brotherhood (2015 Remaster) Technique (2015 Remaster) Er wot? Have The Factory Years been re-remastered?! hmmm. It doesn't say Technique has been.

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NotAMod		#27 Posted : 25 September 2015 02:40:00(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 675 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1123 time(s) in 677 post(s)		Sorry, I linked the non-remastered version by mistake: Technique (2015 Digital Remaster) The old credit card's going to be glowing red hot with New Order purchases for this month. Are the bonus discs being remastered also I wonder? Edited by user 25 September 2015 02:40:48(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Sage_		#28 Posted : 25 September 2015 02:42:57(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 02/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 159 Location: Melbourne, Australia Thanks: 105 times Was thanked: 220 time(s) in 164 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Qobuz is also showing the following: Movement (2015 Digital Remaster) Power, Corruption & Lies (2015 Digital Remaster) Low-life (2015 Digital Remaster) Brotherhood (2015 Digital Remaster) Technique (2015 Digital Remaster) Er wot? Have The Factory Years been re-remastered?! Next thing we need is an expert to assess these remasters, if the imperfections have been fixed, if the remasters are better at all than the previous reiterations.

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Johnny James		#29 Posted : 25 September 2015 02:55:50(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Are the bonus discs being remastered also I wonder? No, though Singles takes care of a fair few of those tracks.

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NotAMod		#30 Posted : 25 September 2015 03:01:45(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 675 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1123 time(s) in 677 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Sage_ Next thing we need is an expert to assess these remasters, if the imperfections have been fixed, if the remasters are better at all than the previous reiterations. To be fair, the original "album" discs on the 2008 remasters were mostly fine. It was only the bonus discs which suffered badly from imperfections and needed to be repressed. The sound on the bonus disc repressings were very good but they didn't redo the album masterings (until now).

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Debaser		#31 Posted : 25 September 2015 03:11:13(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,119 Location: here n there Thanks: 528 times Was thanked: 3203 time(s) in 2141 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: NotAMod Are the bonus discs being remastered also I wonder? No, though Singles takes care of a fair few of those tracks. How does Mr James know this stuff? Anyone?

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Johnny James		#32 Posted : 25 September 2015 03:35:25(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Debaser Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: NotAMod Are the bonus discs being remastered also I wonder? No, though Singles takes care of a fair few of those tracks. How does Mr James know this stuff? Anyone? I've been helping out on archive releases.

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NotAMod		#33 Posted : 25 September 2015 04:08:31(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 675 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1123 time(s) in 677 post(s)		Back from Rough Trade East. Loads of Music Complete CDs and literally piles of the clear vinyl edition (can't be that limited from the sheer amount they had!). No sign of The London Years reissues... I did ask and was told they were expected today but nothing's arrived. I might check out HMV Oxford St later on if I can be arsed. Most likely I will wait until next week now. Don't much fancy the hell that is Oxford St on a Friday rush hour. Mr James, do you happen to know if the download card included with these reissues give access to lossless versions or is it just MP3? If it's just MP3 I'll probably purchase what Qobuz has. Many thanks.

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Johnny James		#34 Posted : 25 September 2015 04:14:04(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Mr James, do you happen to know if the download card included with these reissues give access to lossless versions or is it just MP3? If it's just MP3 I'll probably purchase what Qobuz has. Many thanks. I don't know. I did just get flacs from the store this morning (due to buying the big box set). Did you order anything from there?

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NotAMod		#35 Posted : 25 September 2015 04:25:06(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 675 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1123 time(s) in 677 post(s)		Sorry I meant The London Years reissue LPs... supposedly they will come with a download card. Do you happen to know if that card gives access to MP3 only or have Warners put up FLAC copies? I ask because I don't particularly want to buy The London Years albums off Qobuz in lossless if I'm going to get a copy anyway included with the 3 x vinyl reissues. Seems a bit of a waste. Cheers.

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Johnny James		#36 Posted : 25 September 2015 04:36:24(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Sorry I meant The London Years reissue LPs... supposedly they will come with a download card. Do you happen to know if that card gives access to MP3 only or have Warners put up FLAC copies? I ask because I don't particularly want to buy The London Years albums off Qobuz in lossless if I'm going to get a copy anyway included with the 3 x vinyl reissues. Seems a bit of a waste. Cheers. Aah right. I rechecked the press sheets for these and it does say MP3 versions. Edited by user 25 September 2015 04:50:03(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Debaser		#37 Posted : 25 September 2015 05:40:51(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,119 Location: here n there Thanks: 528 times Was thanked: 3203 time(s) in 2141 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James I've been helping out on archive releases. Oh like a super-fan consultant? Or you work in the biz?

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the_blank_from_hell		#38 Posted : 25 September 2015 06:43:18(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 08/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 51 Thanks: 14 times Was thanked: 72 time(s) in 51 post(s)		I found the three vinyl rereleases today in a Viennese record shop. No glossy finish parts on the artwork as the original pressings, but looking good. And "get ready" now has a printed inner sleeve! I want that for my original copy too!

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NotAMod		#39 Posted : 26 September 2015 08:47:00(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 675 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1123 time(s) in 677 post(s)		Well I ordered all of these new remasters last night, £65 for 7 albums (ouch). The one I was looking forward to the most (Republic) sounds good; it's had a decent boost in all areas required although this does inadvertently reveal how bits of Hague's production haven't aged quite as well as others. Still, this new mastering is very welcome and I hope it gets a general CD release with perhaps a few bonus tracks thrown in. WFTSC is still a very loud album even with this new 2015 mastering... it's the least changed of the lot and I was hoping the volume would be lowered a bit but it's still fairly heavy. I wouldn't like to comment if there are any real improvements until I've listened further, I think the treble/high-end's been cleaned up a bit. The only baffling thing is the Get Ready remaster seems to have been left off the Qobuz store and I can't find it anywhere else for download. Unless the 2001 version they have is actually the 2015 version but it's not labelled along the same lines as the others. Anyway, all five of The Factory Years albums have definitely been re-remastered and sound a bit fuller next to their 2008 counterparts. Good bass and lighter bits of instrumentation which were a bit muffled before are more easily heard especially on Brotherhood (!) They are ever so slightly clipped/brickwalled compared to the 2008 versions but not overly so, fans should still get some fine sound out of them. I detect the hand of Frank Arkwright with these although can't be sure as digital files never come with proper credits (a drawback for sure) but it was nice getting lovely large digital versions of the artwork. They look great. If you're thinking of getting these I would recommend maybe buying your favourite album first and seeing what you make of the sound. Personally, these seem good enough for me to switch over to from previous masterings. Oh, and I'm not putting up any frigging graphs just commenting on how it sounds

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Nick King		#40 Posted : 26 September 2015 11:13:02(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 79 Location: Welwyn Garden City Thanks: 50 times Was thanked: 122 time(s) in 83 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Oh, and I'm not putting up any frigging graphs just commenting on how it sounds Thank fcuk for that!
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Seb		#41 Posted : 30 September 2015 01:48:28(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 30/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 2 Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		I have bought the three re-issues on vinyl. Sirens has definitely been improved compared to the lousy 2005 CD - you can hear Hooky's bass on Turn for example… Republic looks good to my hears too, but i cannot compare with the original vinyl. Get Ready is a complete disaster: volume is so low on the vinyl that you need to push volume really up to hear anything… And when you hear anything the sound is muddy and unclear… I wonder if it's an issue with my copy or a general screw up… Has anyone else listened to the new vinyls? Oh and by the way - only crappy MP3 versions with the 3 releases, not even the 2015 remastered, with Dynamic Ranges from 6 to 8. Forget about these…. Edited by user 30 September 2015 01:50:08(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Fotzepolitic		#42 Posted : 30 September 2015 03:54:37(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,661 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3749 time(s) in 2662 post(s)		Have cancelled my order with amazon.com of the Get Ready and Republic vinyls and re ordered with amazon.co.uk so saving on heavy shipping cost.Except although it said these were released on 25th Sept now i've purchased them it says i won't receive them til mid October grrrr... I was hoping they'd ship immediately and i'd receive them in the next couple of days as i'll be at home and wouldn't have to traipse to the post office to pick up the missed delivery.Was immediately offered the free MP3 download of both albums after completing my purchase but when i go to the download page and select the tracks and hit download the page just freezes and nothing happens Edited by user 30 September 2015 03:55:55(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Nick King		#43 Posted : 30 September 2015 08:14:50(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 79 Location: Welwyn Garden City Thanks: 50 times Was thanked: 122 time(s) in 83 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Seb Oh and by the way - only crappy MP3 versions with the 3 releases, not even the 2015 remastered, with Dynamic Ranges from 6 to 8. Forget about these…. Yeah, bizarre that the MP3 versions are the non-remastered versions - I could have just ripped the CDs! So, to summarise, the only way to get the 2015 remastered versions digitally is via Qobuzz/7Digital....
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NotAMod		#44 Posted : 30 September 2015 08:40:10(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 675 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1123 time(s) in 677 post(s)		Considering these reissues were supposed to be out last Friday virtually no record stores I contacted in the central London area had them at the start of this week. I eventually managed to find both Get Ready and WFTSC in Rough Trade East but they only had a single copy each and no Republic. The copies I nabbed were not obviously on display but consigned to the Joy Division rack. The guy at the till couldn't tell me when he'd get more copies of Republic. I rang around HMV, Sister Ray and Sounds Of The Universe on my way home from work and they don't have them either. Distribution issues aside these also appear to have been given zero promotion - nothing on the official New Order Facebook/Twitter/web site - and with that in mind I'm struggling to see why the label bothered at all, what was the point? You can't cash in on the band's renewed publicity if nobody knows the product you're offering is out there. I couldn't even see anything on Rhino's Facebook page. If you don't visit this forum you'd probably have no idea they existed. Last but not least I've downloaded MP3s offered with at least two of the reissues and they are the old masterings; I mean come on... Not great. Edited by user 30 September 2015 08:41:28(UTC) \| Reason: Tidy.

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Johnny James		#45 Posted : 30 September 2015 12:06:18(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Considering these reissues were supposed to be out last Friday virtually no record stores I contacted in the central London area had them at the start of this week. I eventually managed to find both Get Ready and WFTSC in Rough Trade East but they only had a single copy each and no Republic. The copies I nabbed were not obviously on display but consigned to the Joy Division rack. The guy at the till couldn't tell me when he'd get more copies of Republic. I rang around HMV, Sister Ray and Sounds Of The Universe on my way home from work and they don't have them either. Distribution issues aside these also appear to have been given zero promotion - nothing on the official New Order Facebook/Twitter/web site - and with that in mind I'm struggling to see why the label bothered at all, what was the point? You can't cash in on the band's renewed publicity if nobody knows the product you're offering is out there. I couldn't even see anything on Rhino's Facebook page. If you don't visit this forum you'd probably have no idea they existed. Last but not least I've downloaded MP3s offered with at least two of the reissues and they are the old masterings; I mean come on... Not great. They offered these to shops at really short notice (Mon 21st), no promotion but you must order today to get them by the 25th. I guess lots of shops missed out. I am mystified about the mp3s, how can you tell which mastering it is?

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NotAMod		#46 Posted : 30 September 2015 12:59:30(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 675 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1123 time(s) in 677 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James I am mystified about the mp3s, how can you tell which mastering it is? The Get Ready MP3s I got from the vinyl download sound broadly the same as the original 2001 CD. I compared both how they sounded via headphones and how the waveforms looked in Audacity to a FLAC copy I have of the original disc. A mate who nabbed the Republic reissue sent me a copy of the MP3s and I've compared a couple of them to both the original 1993 CD/2015 Qobuz remaster. The Republic MP3s are weird; some of them (World, Ruined In A Day & Chemical) match the original 1993 CD both in terms of sound and waveform. Others like Regret are actually louder than the 2015 Remaster FLAC I got from Qobuz and resemble something closer to the 2005 Singles compilation. At any rate they're not consistent across the set. Er yeah, I thought the Republic MP3 download was going to be identical to what I got off Qobuz which is actually a consistent, nice sounding remaster.

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Seb		#47 Posted : 01 October 2015 03:39:56(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 30/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 2 Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Originally Posted by: Johnny James I am mystified about the mp3s, how can you tell which mastering it is? The Get Ready MP3s I got from the vinyl download sound broadly the same as the original 2001 CD. I compared both how they sounded via headphones and how the waveforms looked in Audacity to a FLAC copy I have of the original disc. A mate who nabbed the Republic reissue sent me a copy of the MP3s and I've compared a couple of them to both the original 1993 CD/2015 Qobuz remaster. The Republic MP3s are weird; some of them (World, Ruined In A Day & Chemical) match the original 1993 CD both in terms of sound and waveform. Others like Regret are actually louder than the 2015 Remaster FLAC I got from Qobuz and resemble something closer to the 2005 Singles compilation. At any rate they're not consistent across the set. Er yeah, I thought the Republic MP3 download was going to be identical to what I got off Qobuz which is actually a consistent, nice sounding remaster. And did you have a chance to listen to the vinyls? How does your Get Ready copy sounds?

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Fotzepolitic		#48 Posted : 01 October 2015 10:13:02(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,661 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3749 time(s) in 2662 post(s)		Had an email from Amazon saying they will despatch my order for Get Ready and Republic vinyls earlier than originally stated.New estimated arrival date is 5th Oct rather than 15th to 19th Oct .So that's good news

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