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Fotzepolitic		#1 Posted : 12 September 2015 07:00:43(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3743 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		This sounds good. http://exclaim.ca/Music/article..._order_in_story_of_indie More in depth info on BBC website here "Title test" on YouTube.Interesting for the fact the info states the original plan for the music used for the titles was Age Of Consent. Edited by user 12 September 2015 07:18:06(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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BazG		#2 Posted : 15 September 2015 08:25:43(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 23/06/2015(UTC) Posts: 207 Location: Manchester Thanks: 31 times Was thanked: 276 time(s) in 208 post(s)		This sounds quite interesting. No mention of other 4ad artists in that write up though, but I imagine that might come in with The Cocteau's story. I purchased the book Facing The Other Way: The story of 4ad a while back, but I still haven't got round to reading it yet.

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Fotzepolitic		#3 Posted : 19 September 2015 00:35:23(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3743 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		The first episode of this will be on Friday 2nd October, 10pm on BBC4.The full title is 'Music For Misfits: The Story of Indie'.Later on at midnight on the same channel Grant Gee's Joy Division documentary gets another airing.

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Debaser		#4 Posted : 02 October 2015 11:59:42(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,118 Location: here n there Thanks: 528 times Was thanked: 3199 time(s) in 2140 post(s)		This is on tonight in an hour. It's repeated at 2.35am too.

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Cranelane		#5 Posted : 02 October 2015 13:07:41(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 378 Location: Cork Thanks: 144 times Was thanked: 513 time(s) in 388 post(s)		Stephen and Gillian being interviewed right at the start, this is going to be good!

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Fotzepolitic		#6 Posted : 02 October 2015 14:31:41(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3743 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Yeah pretty good stuff that was.You can guarantee anything with Mark Radcliffe presenting will be quality.

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Spittingcat		#7 Posted : 02 October 2015 14:44:46(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 25/08/2015(UTC) Posts: 124 Thanks: 8 times Was thanked: 165 time(s) in 124 post(s)		The night isn't over yet…

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Fotzepolitic		#8 Posted : 02 October 2015 15:13:42(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3743 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Spittingcat The night isn't over yet… Seen the JD doc more than enough times already.Great doc though.

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Cranelane		#9 Posted : 09 October 2015 13:21:48(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 378 Location: Cork Thanks: 144 times Was thanked: 513 time(s) in 388 post(s)		On now featuring our heroes..

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Fotzepolitic		#10 Posted : 09 October 2015 14:07:19(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3743 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Wow how great was that episode tonight? Clips from the Play At Home doc, Saville ,Factory, The Smiths , Cocteau Twins, C86, JAMC and beyond into the late 80s and KLF, Acid House, The Hac, Tony Wilson and the Mondays.I was giddy from it all bringing back the memories of them heady days.Phew! We'll draw a veil and overlook the unfortunate inclusion of PWL and Pete Waterman though eh? Indie Classics at the BBC on now.

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Cranelane		#11 Posted : 09 October 2015 14:24:10(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 378 Location: Cork Thanks: 144 times Was thanked: 513 time(s) in 388 post(s)		New Order on again now with Temptation from "rock around the clock" - 1984. BBC4 comes up trumps again on a Friday!

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Fotzepolitic		#12 Posted : 09 October 2015 14:51:06(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3743 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Cranelane New Order on again now with Temptation from "rock around the clock" - 1984. BBC4 comes up trumps again on a Friday! Yeah was amazed when that clip popped up.The info banner along the bottom stated there's no original of the recording, only VHS copies

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Fotzepolitic		#13 Posted : 17 October 2015 02:46:09(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3743 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Restless played over the end images and end credits of the final episode of this, last night.Final episode covered the labels that were home to bands like all that mid 90s Britpop crowd Blur and Oasis (and Menswear, jeez) and then on into the noughties and the likes of Franz Ferdinand, Libertines and Arctic Monkeys.Never gave a flying fuck about any of those bands so last night's episode didn't do much for me. Been a good series overall though.A very watchable history of many of the "Indie" bands and labels from the late 70s to today. Factory & New Order clip from episode 2 (spot the 1984 Play At Home doc footage) Cocteau Twins clip from episode 2 Edited by user 17 October 2015 02:48:18(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Cranelane		#14 Posted : 17 October 2015 13:12:18(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 378 Location: Cork Thanks: 144 times Was thanked: 513 time(s) in 388 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Restless played over the end images and end credits of the final episode of this, last night.Final episode covered the labels that were home to bands like all that mid 90s Britpop crowd Blur and Oasis (and Menswear, jeez) and then on into the noughties and the likes of Franz Ferdinand, Libertines and Arctic Monkeys.Never gave a flying fuck about any of those bands so last night's episode didn't do much for me. Been a good series overall though.A very watchable history of many of the "Indie" bands and labels from the late 70s to today. Yeah, I switched it off half way through, it was to be expected though that the series would peter out when it reached the mid nineties I suppose. The indie scene lost it's way a little for me after the shoegazing era.

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rosygale		#15 Posted : 17 October 2015 16:59:41(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 81 Location: Scotland Thanks: 48 times Was thanked: 88 time(s) in 81 post(s)		It's 28 years since I set foot in Manchester so it was quite interesting seeing the Gmex and rebuilt Hacienda in one screen view which I have tried to locate on Google street view without success, and seeing inside Factory HQ (the place with the infamous hanging table) Thought it wouldve been converted or demolished by now? Apparently not. Or has it been reconstructed as a museum? Even had a view of the loo, paintwork was easyjet orange, Mike Pickering I think talking about the bad timing of buying the Hac premises. Restless lyrics at the end on subtitles werent quite the same as what I imagined them to be.
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BazG		#16 Posted : 17 October 2015 19:50:40(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 23/06/2015(UTC) Posts: 207 Location: Manchester Thanks: 31 times Was thanked: 276 time(s) in 208 post(s)		The Factory offices are now a club called....The Factory. It became The Paradise Factory in the early nineties, was left dormant for a while, then Peter Hook turned it into Fac251. Synonymous with the Factory name of the Hulme club on Royce Road. The Haçienda is now....The Haçienda apartment block. They had an anniversary do in 2012 in the underground car park to mark the 30 years. Most current Haçienda nights are now currently held in The Albert Hall... In Manchester that is.

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Fotzepolitic		#17 Posted : 18 October 2015 02:33:18(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3743 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Originally Posted by: rosygale It's 28 years since I set foot in Manchester so it was quite interesting seeing the Gmex and rebuilt Hacienda in one screen view which I have tried to locate on Google street view without success, and seeing inside Factory HQ (the place with the infamous hanging table) Thought it wouldve been converted or demolished by now? Apparently not. Or has it been reconstructed as a museum? Even had a view of the loo, paintwork was easyjet orange, Mike Pickering I think talking about the bad timing of buying the Hac premises. Restless lyrics at the end on subtitles werent quite the same as what I imagined them to be. Yeah when i watched it Friday night the end images with the soundtrack of Restless kind of had the message that if you take risks you can change things which chimed with what i always thought the line in Restless is; "It's not hopeless/If you take risks" but having seen your post i looked up that bit of the programme again and turned subtitles on and it was "It's not hopeless/if you take rest" So i guess that must be the lyric then but i just don't get it.Things aren't hopeless if you take a rest? "take risks" makes far more sense to me. Edited by user 18 October 2015 02:34:42(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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rosygale		#18 Posted : 18 October 2015 04:03:56(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 81 Location: Scotland Thanks: 48 times Was thanked: 88 time(s) in 81 post(s)		Yeah, not too sure, thought it might be “less” again, not too sure about the line about current studies either, re the fiscal climate, but can’t think what else it could be. Which shows the line “Ain’t got no interest“ in a different light and - no, only kidding!
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Johnny James		#19 Posted : 18 October 2015 04:10:31(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Cranelane Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Restless played over the end images and end credits of the final episode of this, last night.Final episode covered the labels that were home to bands like all that mid 90s Britpop crowd Blur and Oasis (and Menswear, jeez) and then on into the noughties and the likes of Franz Ferdinand, Libertines and Arctic Monkeys.Never gave a flying fuck about any of those bands so last night's episode didn't do much for me. Been a good series overall though.A very watchable history of many of the "Indie" bands and labels from the late 70s to today. Yeah, I switched it off half way through, it was to be expected though that the series would peter out when it reached the mid nineties I suppose. The indie scene lost it's way a little for me after the shoegazing era. The 'indie' scene from the mid-90s onwards became the mainstream. The real independents still exist though, and always will.

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Andy		#20 Posted : 18 October 2015 08:19:12(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Originally Posted by: rosygale It's 28 years since I set foot in Manchester so it was quite interesting seeing the Gmex and rebuilt Hacienda in one screen view which I have tried to locate on Google street view without success, and seeing inside Factory HQ (the place with the infamous hanging table) Thought it wouldve been converted or demolished by now? Apparently not. Or has it been reconstructed as a museum? Even had a view of the loo, paintwork was easyjet orange, Mike Pickering I think talking about the bad timing of buying the Hac premises. Restless lyrics at the end on subtitles werent quite the same as what I imagined them to be. Yeah when i watched it Friday night the end images with the soundtrack of Restless kind of had the message that if you take risks you can change things which chimed with what i always thought the line in Restless is; "It's not hopeless/If you take risks" but having seen your post i looked up that bit of the programme again and turned subtitles on and it was "It's not hopeless/if you take rest" So i guess that must be the lyric then but i just don't get it.Things aren't hopeless if you take a rest? "take risks" makes far more sense to me. I didn't read that much into it. I suspect they played Restless because it's a current track from an important "indie" group. Certain the line is " It's not hopeless if you take less." As in don't be so fucking greedy.
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negative1		#21 Posted : 19 October 2015 12:39:39(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,186 Thanks: 934 times Was thanked: 1778 time(s) in 1188 post(s)		watched the first part of the documentary. it was very well presented. enjoyed seeing all the interviews with the bands (except that dude from throbbing gristle)... very informative, and was cool knowing a lot of the bands i liked started out then, the indie charts were pretty amazing back in the 80's... looking forward to the rest of it. later -1

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Debaser		#22 Posted : 19 October 2015 14:46:11(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,118 Location: here n there Thanks: 528 times Was thanked: 3199 time(s) in 2140 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Certain the line is " It's not hopeless if you take less." As in don't be so fucking greedy. Yep, in agreement on this.

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