Why does everyone get so Giddy about remixes? They are nothing to do with New Order, some twat takes a song that New Order wrote and how they wanted it to sound (their song) and fucks about with it and adds 20 seconds and the world goes mad. SAD SAD SAD.

When is the Fluffy Woofy Duffy Muffy flash clean wipe remix of the game coming out i hear it is a whopping 1 second longer than how New Order wanted it to sound ?

I hear it comes as a limited edition sleeve in blue vinyl and costs a fortune.... where do i sign up?

Edited by user 19 October 2015 20:52:28(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Morning Mike

This topic is like diarrhea, it runs and runs. I had the bad luck to be a completist in the mid-90s and some of the shitty remixes I spent beer and porn money on... The nadir for me were those 1963 Lionrock mixes - 100% Lionrock and 0% 1963. The worst mixes are ones that are too similar to the originals to warrant purchase ('94) or too different to please the fans (Rest Of). There have been some successful ones - Spooky-Stadium, World-Perfecto, Pineapple Face-can't fucking remember - but I really can't be arsed these days. Youtube's a free-for-all anyway and I just don't have the space, money or interest.

I generally prefer extended mixes to full on remixes. More of what you enjoyed I the first place & less 'outsider padding'. (Round & Round Kevin Sanderson 12" & Run2 12" being fine examples.)


This is why the idea of producing extended mixes or all 11 tracks is an absolute winner to me - (if only I didn't have to purchase the redundant vinyl.....zzz...yawn, I know...)

Boringly obvious contrary opinion...yawn.

A Robert Hood mix of Tutti Frutti!?
Is this true!?

Some remixes are enjoyable if they stay true to the spirit of the song; although they are really boring if too like the original. When people used to go out and buy physical CD singles, remixes had a place as good value; especially before they brought in that law on the maximum length of time for a single. My favourite remix out of any artist, I think, is Ruined in a Day by K-Klass - there's something special about that one...

In a similar vain, I don't see the point of live recordings. I never feel like I'm there. The New Order ones are usually ropey anyway - but that's probably preferential to artists who sound almost the same live...

There's been some great remixes but a hell of a lot of crap ones. Loved the Pettibone mixes of True Faith back in the day - remember them coming out about a month after and giving the song an incredible new take and new lease of life. Regret - Fire Island, Ruined In Day -K Klass, World - Perfecto all great. Lee Coombs remix of Crystal was well worth the effort. Also Felix Da Housecat's take on Here To Stay ,though that like a few others I liked the music regardless of if it was a remix of a NO track; same with some of the Restless remixes, I'd probably listen to the track and like it even if it wasn't a NO remix. The Agoria mix is maybe even ruined a bit by having Bernard's vocals on it! There's a few like that.I don't think a song like Restless should be remixed, I mean it's not really a dance/ club track I n the first place is it.

Oh and a few of the Krafty mixes were great - Gilmmers and the Morel's Pink Noise Vocal.

Blue Monday 95 Hardfloor mix was a little pointless and that mix of BLT on the Rest Of compilation ( can't recall who did it) - think I must have only listened to it twice ever .

So in summary- some NO remixes are brilliant some not. Like the poster earlier said though, this old discussion is like dihoreah ( can never spell that word right)

If people don't like remixes, then fair enough, don't listen. Simples.

The idea that it's just NO on the album is a little simplistic though. The word remixer can often be interchanged with producer.
Look at at what Hague did with the original version of True Faith. We think of that as New Order but undoubtedly Hague had a hand in the final sound of the track.

Go back further; look at Hannet. Was that just Joy Division or did Hannett put his own stamp on the sound? Course he did. So if that wasn't just JD, perhaps we should only listen to the live bootlegs in order to get just the band?

If I remember corectly New Order were quite taken with dance music from New York in the early 80's. They worked with Arthur Baker who undoubtedly had a hand in the sound of Confusion. Maybe that's not New Order then. Just listen to the albums right?

On the current album there are various people involved with a number of tracks. Maybe we should skip those, as they're not just New Order.

I happen to think that the coming together of Hot Chip and New Order is a good thing and improves on the original track. But if you don't want it, just ignore it.

Just cos they're post hoc doesn't mean they have nothing to offer though.

I second that, great track maker. Be nice to wheel out some other Detroit legends. An underground resistance mix would be my choice. They were Kraftwerks choice of remixer for expo 2000. No betterdetroit label than UR

Edited by user 20 October 2015 12:06:15(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I wouldn't really say that. Much like how a "single edit" serves the purpose of trimming down a song short enough to be played on the radio, the main purpose of a remix is to get the song out into a club environment. If people hear the remix in a club, it acts as an advertisement for both the album and single. No one is being exploited since there's the choice not to buy any additional remixes you don't want. No one is any less of a fan for just owning the main albums. It's all about what you chose to enjoy.

Edited by user 20 October 2015 11:08:31(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I love a lot of the Factory era remixes because virtually all of them did something to expand upon the original song. Once they moved to London Records, it was almost like 75% of the remixes ended up being a new song entirely with just the vocals a few bass lines dropped in. Lest us forget all those Sly & Robbie "Ruined in a Day" mixes... lawd have mercy.