if you noticed, i concentrate mostly on their single releases, and associated songs, not necessarily their albums.

to me they have always been a 'singles' band, and there have been plenty of those, with releases, re-releases,
and multiple mixes of songs.

and the ones i prefer the most are from the 80s.





there is little to no hope for a great boxset to come out, because there is too much material to sort out.

so far the fan compilations do a much better job, because of the variety of material available, and the research, and
care taken to put them together,





my point was, there is a lot more variety in echo and the bunnymen shows.

they have a lot to draw from.... so does new order,
but if you notice, they concentrate solely on their early era songs.

rarely, if any songs, from the last 5 albums make it into the concerts.

and even if they play them, there is rarely any variation in the songs, they have a lot more variety and improvisation in their early concerts from the 80s.

there would be little to no interest, if new order played only new songs, or even the majority of them.
they realize the strength of their appeal, is their back catalogue.




i have heard, and seen new order a few times in the last several years, along with echo. i've listened to the recordings, and watched them for both bands.

no, i do not expect them to sound like they did 30 years ago, but all things considered, i think ian has held up better overall compared to bernard.

one thing about new order, is that they do sound better live now, and not as 'raw' as they used to when they first started, and bernard is not as off-key as he used to be.


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Try saying something good and positive about the band. Just you know, try it. It honestly doesn't hurt.

Also, I prefer N.O. live now. It's not a 'Greatest Hits', if it was, they'd close every gig with WORLD IN MOSHUN. Yes, they play some singles from the 80's. But also, there's a lot of singles from the 80's they don't play.

Finally, Bernard has 'lost' his voice? What absolute rubbish. Bernard has had singing lessons, and doesn't sound like a breathles seal barking and yelping off key anymore. I'd take that anyday over the versions of "Age Of Consent" where's he sings offkey, screws up the words, and snorts a line of white stuff for the encore.

... But keep it real.

Hellbent 23 minute stratobliss remix would be my choice for one of the 8 sides of the new retro

It's certainly undeniable that the end result of another New Order box set could be immensely disappointing. But, I think it's equally plausible that the end result could be satisfying and appealing. A good New Order box set exists. Somewhere, buried deep in the aether, is a magnificent, contemporary New Order collection.

Frankly, I can be a sucker for demos. Seeing a track in its adolescence - as it's just beginning to find itself - can be very interesting. With such examples as the lyrical demo of Let's Go and the charming demo of Bizarre Love Triangle, I would love to have more demo recordings from the Factory-Era.
If the box set finds space for a decent assemblage of old demos, I will be very, very happy.

If at least one member of the band is involved and actually interested in the project, I believe there's hope. Hope for the box to be a gratifying one.

When I say NO are overrated people misunderstand and think it means they're shit (obviously they aren't) or I dislike them (obviously I don't). It simply means the comments about them you can take are leave - but are not borne out by the quality and quantity of their actual music. Here are some genuine professional journo quotes I remember verbatim: now even as a superfan, put your hand on your heart and say, Yes indeed:
1. 'The most important band since the Beatles or the Stones.'
2. 'They dominate the charts like no other group.'
3. ''Electronic' is one of the greatest albums ever made.'
4. (my personal favourite) 'New Order are our finest band, incapable of making anything less than a great record. Indeed, Republic shows they're currently making the strongest music of their lives. I also love Revenge, Electronic and the Other Two with a passion.'
5. 'New Order were the most important band in the 80s, just like Electronic for the 90s. Bernard is a new Brian Eno, the only genius currently working in music.'
6. 'The inventors of 80s music, and pretty much everything else.'
You can support these comments by the music alone?

It's Warners, so back catalogue up to WFTSC/Lost Sirens.

Yes, what if they actually do a proper version of Recycle as originally envisioned? Everything properly remastered, and packaged in the way £50 Note hoped they might do in his wake. Beautifully presented in an amazing box with luxury booklet...and a flag.

Ok the flag wouldn't do it, but the rest of it might just give me FOMO.
Must.Stay.Strong.

One of the best box-sets I bought in recent years was Bowie's "Five Years" shortly before he died. Maybe part of the problem as to why they always struggled putting together a definitive New Order box-set is because there is such a vast discography and literally hundreds of non-album tracks. Doing everything in one go might have been a bit of a tall erm... order not to mention consolidating it all onto a single item the record company weren't sure they could flog enough of. Hence the reticence on their part (I'm guessing).

Perhaps they should take a leaf out of the Bowie archivists book and gradually release "era" spanning box-sets over the course of a few years I.e.

- The Early Factory Years: 1980-1985 (Movement, 1981-1982 EP, PC&L and Low-life),
- The Later Factory Years: 1986-1990 (Brotherhood, Substance 1987 and Technique),
- The Warner Brothers Years: 1993-2006 (Republic, Get Ready, WFTSC and Lost Sirens).

Each CD sized box-set would contain 10 or so remastered CDs including:

- Each album with mini-LP artwork card reproductions from the Factory/London originals.
- A corresponding bonus disc for each album containing 12" mixes, non-album tracks etc. based on the 2008 efforts but expanded.
- One further obscure rarities disc like Bowie's "Re:Call 1" CD covering unreleased demos, rare lost mixes etc.
- A live album of a previously unreleased "choice" gig showing the band at the peak of their then-powers.

Also release the box-sets digitally in 24-bit (a minor point but would be nice).

I don't think there's any need to include every mix, dub, remix edit, dub edit etc. that ever existed. That's not a decent listenable box set, that's just OCD (in my opinion). That said, there are some nice remixes languishing on forgotten promos out there which would do very well to get a proper release; the Sunrise Rough Mix & Planet Funk Remix of WFTSC to name but two. The problem with the fan proposals for Recycle have always been (although £50 Note tempered his slightly) that the track-listings were random and out of control. They're just a list of mixes rather than a properly thought out concept.

Realistically the band and label are probably some way down the line with this new box-set already so the above is purely "dream concept" but I'm sure they've looked at incredible box-sets done by other bands and taken notes. I've personally got high hopes for this one from what we've heard so far.

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Box set schmox set.I feel they should give the re issues remasters re fucking whatever a rest for a while.They'll have to come up with something really earth shatteringly special, something totally mindblowing in its originality and creativeness for me to part with my dosh this time.

Yes I read that earlier today but as I opined further up:



What I proposed would be roughly no more than 10 discs per box-set (times 3) and the content strictly marshalled to avoid repetition like say, 500 mixes of Crystal.

I mean, kudos to the guy for compiling it and all (his heart is clearly in the right place as per his nice intro) that but do we really need six CDs covering the Get Ready era? Does anyone? Really? Even half that would be overkill. You've got to make the box-set look good as a concept as well as in terms of the material featured. Less is more but the trick is making what you do include so welcome and indispensable that nobody cares the 7" of Dub-vulture isn't on there. That's the challenge.

There's a difference between a well crafted box-set and a spreadsheet with some images next to seemingly never-ending lists of remixes.