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You mentioned Rob Gretton and Tony Wilson, God rest their souls. If they were still alive do you think this rift between you and your former friends would ever have got so wide? Don't you think they would have just banged your heads together, the lot of you?
You know what, every day I wake up I wish somebody would. Because it is the most stupid waste of time and effort. As Peter Saville said to me recently “You and Bernard have dragged Joy Division and New Order into the desert where nothing grows. I hope you're proud of yourselves”. And I thought “Shit”. But the thing is, pride and ego have a lot to do with these things.
What they did to me, by taking the name and by doing it all behind my back and then deciding how much I should get, after 31 years work, it just wasn't fair, the way they did it.
What I'm fighting for is fairness, a bit of justice. In divorce cases you don't get one side telling the other what they're getting, do you? You're supposed to work together and I supposed that after 31 years – and I think I can safely say that New Order wouldn't have been the same without my input – you deserve a little respect.
Barney's beef with me is to do with The Hacienda and me playing Joy Division. In a way it's just a childish way of getting your own back. But, you've got to fight. If you don't fight, you die, don't you?
Were they around, what could Rob and Tony do to resolve it?
You know, if we got together, me, Barney, Steve and Gillian, we could probably resolve it, but it's just that you don't get to do that because of how the system works once it goes to lawyers and is all legal.
They don't want you to get together, they want to keep you separate, paying their wages. I've seen Mike Joyce in the past few weeks and he said to me, a while ago, that the worst thing he's ever been through in his life was the legal fight he had with The Smiths.
He said “I don't envy you”. It's an awful thing to go through. I'd never recommend it to anybody. But, unfortunately, I'm stuck in it and I'm not the kind of person who gives up easily. |
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"When I read it I was quite surprised that he managed to dispatch 30 years of New Order in 100 pages. When I looked at the glossary I saw that I was in 66 of them, being called rotten."
I see he has shifted from saying that half the book was about him, but he is still trying to make out Bernard released his book to chiefly dig Hooky out. In the 'glossary' does Hooky not understand that even pages with pictures of him will be listed, and that in talking about his school days, Joy Division & New Order that he was always going to get mentioned, and there is also the small point that Bernard is entitled to use the book to respond to Hooks constant slagging of him in the press. Why have I even bothered responding, Hook is always going to be delusional, fucking prick.
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You're acting like a wanker.
Yes I am. I am a big wanker but so is Bernard. I'm not really a wanker, it's Bernard and he's never been a wanker, it's me. I want this to go on, if only it would stop. As soon as it stops I'll start it again so it can stop because it should go on.
What would Ian have made of this?
Ian would've hated it. He loved tension, it's what made him a great drummer, and if Bernard and I had argued we've never have made any music - we'd be too busy making music to argue! Ian had nothing to do with it, it was all about Ian really. Steve too, but not Steve. Gillian was the glue that held Joy division together, she wasn't in the group which made her such a presence. Steve was married to Rob, who didn't get on with Steve. It's very very sad and I laugh about it all now.
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