Went along to the Covent Garden Fopp event yesterday and Peter was as patient with fans requests as ever m8 in front got a promise of a photo with the man in Brighton 2017 signed loads of stuff for everyone chatty. As for all the self righteous crap above what's between Hooky and the rest of New order is their rather sad business the crowds they both draw are testement to the most wonderful music you will hear 37 years on from first hearing Joy division I was still moved by the songs played before the man arrived
Walked in line

I think he's referring to all the stuff we already know (royalties, use of the band name, merchandise, etc). He's probably saying look online because he doesn't want to say things on the radio that would make negotiations more difficult. Maybe he's finally listening to his wife (and legal advisers) and is keeping his foot out of his mouth.

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I have no interest in reading the book to be honest. I am begrudgingly going to The Light Substance show as my mate bought tickets but it is the only chance to see one of my favorite bass players based on his musical output. It is a shame these days that he earns his wage slagging those that were his mates more than from playing bass. I guess whatever pleases the paying punters. I have not read Barney's book but I will check out Stephen's. I would think it would be a more interesting read. Too bad Substance is not just a historical recounting of their recording, that would be a book I would buy.

Yeah the geeky equipment parts interest me, but to dig through pages of mudslinging is sad. The rest of New Order has moved on Music Complete speaks for itself.

Seriously he barely plays bass? Glad I am not paying.

My one obsession in life has been music. And like 99% of people on this forum Joy Division / new order are my favourite of all and I have dedicated many hours of listening, buying, gig going etc, very important to me. For that reason alone how can the bass player from this band be a cunt or a shithouse, to me he is my bass legend. 30 years cannot mean nothing.

What is he like as a person, I don't know or care, the fact he was the bass player in my favourite band means he's alright by me, music wise. Still waiting for my book to come through from record store but look forward to reading it.

It's not just hook who is the legend they all are and what they think of each other is no concern of mine. Hooky deserves some respect from the fans, sorry I meant to say has earnt his respect.

Don't agree with slating Tom chapman either like someone has already said New Order had to get another bass player and he was the obvious choice and is doing a good job.

Those comments above may seem to contradict but I don't care I will be at the next New order and The Light gigs... See you all there.

Some funny stories.About halfway through the book now.Liked and laughed at the story about the 2 German groupies thinking "Barney Sumner"s name was Barry Summer .I like the timeline stuff like for example when and where Thieves Like Us was recorded ( January 14-15 1984 ).I was always obsessed with trivial things like that back in the day.Not so much now but still nice to get info on those things.Not so bothered on the "Geek Alert" sections - i tend to zone out when Hooky's explaining how a certain drum machine works, yawn.I'm more into the tales of touring in the 80s and and little stories like Hooky bumping into Bruce Springsteen being a tight bastard trying to get the price down on a pair of boots he was buying in a shop in Los Angeles sometime in the 80s.


Still a bit skeptical on some of Hooky's version of some events but what do i know.And still think he has some mental issues with Bernard, the others and events but as i said i enjoy the old touring stories..



BBC Arts thing

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Thanks. I can't speak for El Jarvo but speaking for myself I wasn't looking for media links; those are easy to google. Was looking for the actual legal stuff on an official legal (i.e uk court records) website.

About halfway through, and in regards to the court case :

- Hook selfproclaims himself "shit with money"
- He also declares some fairly hefty paydays, and clearly not been wise with it : I remember a 1995 interview where he said he owed the bank £1.5k
- Near enough everyone involved with New Order / Revenge finances appears to be completely fucking incompetent and should have been fired long long ago
- Hook (understandably, but not accurately), appears to be seeing the current court case as a way of fixing the awful Factory accounting practice that left him and everyone else historically out of pocket, presumably by suing his former band as they are currently lucrative and probably competently run financially
- Presumably he feels entitled to an hefty share of NO's current income which he doesn't currently work for whilst he actively sues them and slags them off
- Hook probably should get higher than 1.25% due to the existing historical strength of their commercial brand name giving them but 12.5% seems steep to me
- Vitalturn seem to generate approx £1m in historical royalties, so therefore seems reasonable he gets a sizable amount of that
- Rob clearly about as much use as a glass hammer when it comes to being a businessman
- As were NO's accountants

Overall, it's a miracle this book got published, and even more a miracle that the New Order accountants didn't get fired. I'd've sued them to the end of the Earth for negligence and fired them on the spot.

Yeah, but they're both monkey shit. Two shit LPs in 25 years means they are officially 12.5 times worse than the Spice Girls. Hooky will tour SH(ite album) with Geri Halliwell on vocals in 2061.
Even if the abuse stories are true, I refuse to believe this is notoriously FUCKYOUYOUFUCKINGWANKER Hooky developing a social conscience.
Hooky's autobiography:
1. Everyone are wankuz cept me and sometimes me son and Ian but he dead innit.
2. I like prostitute woman and bigg drug and me bass.
3. Throw 25 quid away.
Shania Twain can't conjugate verbs. That don't impress me much.

I'm about half way through and wondering if at some point he talks about when they got on their feet financially as both him and Bernard live in houses that are worth well over a million and Hooky has a couple of cars that are each in the 75 to 100k range - both with personalised plates of course.

Yes and mine too. Certainly doesn't appear skint looking at what he has from a material perspective, his house looks amazing.

Around the 1989 tour when they were doing 23-35,000 seaters, apparently.

I'd be suprised, but I could undestand if a judge were to award Hooky with a dedicated 12.5% of the band's period and performance royalties and other income from merchandising and performances related to the Vitalturn licensing.

Any finances that were related to the band as an original 4-piece should be fairly collected 4 ways including performance royalties, concert performances of Gilbert/Hook/Morris/Sumner compositions performed live, mechanical rights, merchandising, et cetera per agreement from 1981 until setting up Vitalturn. Royalties (etc) should be distributed/collected as per agreement at the time of 2001-2005, per inclusion of Phil Cunningham. Anything post 2006 royalties (etc) should be distributed/collected as per agreement at the time previous arrangement.

I fucking LOVE New Order - in all configurations - but what you don't do, is fucking chintz someone out of money rightfully owned to them either by not paying them or unilaterally reducing period royalties - regardless of you like them or not, or of they are still in the band or not.

All things being equal from what little we know, the other three knew exactly what they were doing and sought to force Peter's hand financially in effort that they'd "win" by getting the whole lawsuit tied up in red tape to force the other to give up due to depletion of funds. That's basic strategy.

Give him his money.

The courts needs to make New Order pay out and move on completely separate of legal ties and Hooky gets his rightful money and he makes a clean break from them.

The courts could then slap Hooky with a "cease and desist" upon settlement regarding potentially slanderous commentary towards any of the five current band members moving forward from settlement.

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