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Cun't agree less. The single version of TBTHOG was awesome, especially in Arthur Baker's 12" full glory; live it sounded pretty tacky though at least they once introduced it as something about getting pulled off. When I first heard the BBC live version I thought it was a crap way to start the gig (I later discovered it wasn't the first song but that's another story). The vid was a cheap sht and honestly, taking the piss outa rawk bands is about as orginal as Cornflakes. It's hard to imagine Bon Jovi taking the mick outa Hooky for Hendrixing Hague or the Other Two for being the least charismatic pair in music. The only remarkable thing is the director got Gillian to move a whole step. Well done.
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Let's Go and Sputnik reviews now up. The TBTHOG feedback has been excellently contrary. Keep it coming.
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Skullcrusher and Fine Time reviews now up. ...and the NewOrderTracks blog is now 1 year old and has breached the 6,000 visitors / 50,000 hits mark - many many more than I ever envisaged. Thanks mainly to you lot (!) and the Singularity site. Nice one - cheers. At this rate I've got at least another year or more to go - so stay with me & keep your feedback coming. Cheers D Edited by user 22 February 2017 19:40:34(UTC)
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Was interested to hear your opinions on All The Way. To me it's a New Order classic though it's rarely mentioned when the debate is about New Order's greatest songs. It was an undoubted stand out for me when I first listened to Technique and still is.Wonderful lyrics with a great message from Bernard, lovely melody , instrumentation and production.
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Round and Round was got me into the band via TOTP - then it was Technique, singles and PCL... After that it was nearly all downhill but I needed a hobby. Awesome track and awesome mixes, esecially the so called 12" on the CD which in classic NO style is, well, awesome, but now harder to find than a virgin on the stage - while balls like O2AndU or RTP are free for alls. Trainspotter fact: One of the reasons VP was on Best Of was it was originally considered as the 94 trailer single, and mixes exist but were never released. I don't think it'd work as well as Round outside the album context. VERY late follow up cos - well, no one cares why: I used to like Vanelli's 1963 vocal mix, but only cos I was a superfan and desperate for newbies. This was the closest I could get, i.e. a mix with both totally different music AND the full lyric.
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Thanks Michael - that's quite lucid. Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse ... into ... nearly ... downhill ... hobby ... classic ... virgin ... balls ... free ... context ... follow up ... why ... desperate ... lyric. Hope you like my Vanelli quote remix. P.S we care.
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Round & Round- I was sometimes or maybe even always torn between the album version and the 7" Hague version ( prob in a minority on that Hague 7" version) The album version is great but the Hague 7" flows into the chorus better IMHO and i always loved the outro fade on it too.The album version despite its awesomeness kind of stops for a moment or jars before the chorus for me.Maybe i'm just a sucker for radio friendly versions.The flow into the chorus on Hague's 7" just brings an optimistic vibe ( it has an optimistic vibe with lyrics like that???) when the chorus hits ,more than the album version anyway.The 12" vinyl version has a great intro i'll say that. I recall back in the day 1989 staunch anti New Order friends i knew remarking how they had to admit they did like the song and particularly the chorus.It really was a great melodic chorus/lyric.I recall watching NO's performance of it on Top Of The Pops at a mate's house and his sister remarking "pwhoarr he's alright!" at the sight of Barney in his bling and cool haircut.Not sure she was as impressed with his live vocal though.Hey ho. Love Less i always remembered as Loveless, like , without love.Where as Love Less seems to be encouraging you to not love as much, hold back.Whatever.An ok song but with great lyrics by Barney, it has its moments and i always actually liked the "town called liberty" line.Though the line i liked more was "There was a time i call before when all i knew was what i saw". A really good lyric.Thinking about the lyrics now it brings vague distant memories of those days back in the mists of time in the 80s when for some of us of that "doom laden" 80s generation where Sumner's lyrics in every single line or even word contained a message or pathos or an inspiration. Edited by user 17 March 2017 15:17:47(UTC)
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Fuck, someone on NOOL forums almost agrees with me on something. The Lioncock mixes of 1963 were acceptable in their own right but still a total rip off cos they exploited the NO flag. Everyone who bougt 'em wanted a fresh slant on the track and didn't get it. They did however achieve two seemingly imposible feets: 1) 764654505760874507646534537 hours and not one billisec of the original; 2) Convince even me it that being a vinyl completist was a total waste of beer money, wanking time and more beer money. So well done.
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Best & Marsh and Guilty Partner reviews now up. Apols for delay... been enjoying the new Goldfrapp album, and not enjoying the new Depeche Mode album. /DR
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Best & Marsh is ace.
Only thing i ever really took to about Guilty Partner were the keyboard bits 3/4 way through.
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Guilty Partner is awesome and like Turn, it shows how strong a songwriter Bernard is when he can be arsed. Apparently it was shite live though (98).
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Run + MTO reviews now up.
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MTO was worthwhile IMO (this is English for YES). A downbeat, vague and weird delve into house minimaliasm, and for the retard that I was in 1992 getting a curio and locating samples from both Fine Time and Bizarre Love Triangle was the most fun I could have without the use of Susannah Hoffs and a shower attachment. Run 2? The single tightened up the original but the extended mix was total shite.
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Like a lot of New Order album versions versus remix versions there are positives and negatives to each.I was always torn between the drum sound on the album version of Run and drum sound on the single version depending on what day it was/is.The single edit/remix has a lighter sound to the drums.Sublime keyboards on both versions though the album version slightly pips it on the keyboard sound but then i think Hooky's bass fares better on the single edit/remix though his bass on the album version was/is hard to beat.The 12" extended was utter shite and not worth further comment.The video to Run was possibly my favourite ever NO vid though unfortunately some of the scenes with the older man and the young girl though they're not actually "together" at any point look slightly dodgy in this day and age. The only thing i don't like about Run now is maybe its title.It's the kind of title the likes of crap like Snow Patrol now might use for a song title and indeed did.
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Mr Disco and Vanishing Point reviews now up. Back to back brilliance. DR
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Great set of reviews for technique looking forward to one of my favourites (well they all are on technique) Dream Attack. Interesting reading some of the comments. Technique is one album I cannot understand anyone disliking it's so fuckin good. But -1 seems to hate it. I love how music can divide opinion so much even the same album.
One of my least favourite records by NO is morning night and day yet for Mr DR this is one album cut you think is better than the singles, once again another shock opinion to my ears!
Keep up this excellent review of all the NO catalogue. Shame I never thought of doing this myself before, although I have plenty of times in my own head. I think I have spent far too much time than is healthy thinking of New Order!
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I'm always bemused how NO fans find levels that are lost on me. The 'awesome' instrumental breaks on Mr Disco strike me as padding cos 9 tracks is the least they could get away with (there was a great BS quote on getting so many songs written for Sirens: It was strange cos normally we'd just do enough to fill the album and then fuck off down the pub). Gillian's 'understated elegance' I always read as 'Fuck, fuck, fuck, they're pointing a camera at me and I still can't hack it.' According to new sociological research, men buy pornography to express a universal need traditionally associated with guilt and transpose it to one of euphoria. Far from constituting a threat, the user aims to purge himself of baser instincts so as to present a healthier public persona and contribute to a safer environment. Paradoxically, his urge is to reassert the superiority of the female form, which may act as a trope or broader feminist emancipation: Consider the rising number of female employees in mass media. He further provides income to those lacking means and qualifications which our society wrongly takes for granted... Wow. I thought I just like wanking.
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse fuck off ... Fuck, fuck, fuck ... Wow ... wanking Thanks Michael - I look forward to tomorrow's instalment. If I turn the blog into a book I may have to invite you to write the Afterword... D
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I've been asked to take all the swearing out of my act. Good night. What happened to Hooky in Dream Atttack? Check out the live versions - lovely!
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse I've been asked to take all the swearing out of my act. Good night. What happened to Hooky in Dream Atttack? Check out the live versions - lovely! you are continuously vile for no particular purpose than simply to be. such a sad person you must be. |
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Jumpin' the gun slightly but I guess the next one is Dream Attack, one of their best ever, so I expect a glowing review... My only whinge is that Hooky almost totally disappeared from the final mix! Listen to the 89 / 93 live takes and while they're less polished, there's a LOT of bass and it adds to the melncholia and wistfulness. The opening is almost reminiscent of 'Decades'...
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Jumpin' the gun slightly but I guess the next one is Dream Attack, one of their best ever, so I expect a glowing review... My only whinge is that Hooky almost totally disappeared from the final mix! Listen to the 89 / 93 live takes and while they're less polished, there's a LOT of bass and it adds to the melncholia and wistfulness. The opening is almost reminiscent of 'Decades'... seriously, you are going to make me google this crap? too much work man |
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Dream Attack + The Happy One reviews now up. Technique era completed.
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