Just a quick couple of questions about official New Order videos:

1) The Discography Wikipedia page lists three versions of the World video; the standard one, the US version, and the Perfecto Mix version.
Anybody seen the latter two? If so, are they much different from the standard version? Any different footage from Cannes etc? If anyone has a copy of either they're willing to let me have a look at, that would be great.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org...ki/New_Order_discography

2) I don't know if I've dreamt this but I could have sworn that I saw a different video for one of the True Faith '94 remixes (probably the Perfecto Mix). I only saw it once, on either MTV Europe or VH1, and it was kind of a rehash of the '87 version. However, I seem to think it had a few bits of different footage to it; nothing Earth-shattering, just unused pogo-ing men, syncing of the video to the remix etc.
As I said, I really can't say that I saw this for definite. It's such a dim memory, I'm possibly imagining it. Has anybody else seen it? Again, anybody have a copy?

Ta.

Cool. Many thanks for this. Never seen it before.

Anybody know about the other two? i.e. the videos to the Perfecto Mixes of World and True Faith '94.

Band who named themselves after a Nazi enforced Jewish sex slave division changes their name to New Order implying further 'political' undertones, makes a track with machine gun drums & fighter jet sound effects and gives it a video with troops marching, tanks rolling, bombs being dropped etc.

If this were to happen in 2017, there would probably be "think pieces" written, boycott-calls, petitions, anti NO hash-tags etc.
Just me?

Incidentally who's the guy in the shades at 1.35?
Also, I haven't seen this vid for a while. It looks like they were still playing with the UP artwork ideas circa 3.09-3.14 and 3.22-3.26. Possibly influencing Peter Hook's artwork for his recent UP live record release.

Had forgotten about the '? Best Of' video. Did it have True Faith interstitials between videos (a la The Happy One on Substance 1989)? Seems to ring a bell.

As regards the insensitivity of journalists, I'm guessing a certain degree of desensitisation occurred with Sumner, Hook and Morris.
Most people face trauma with sympathetic friends and family around them; people who think better of asking you difficult questions when you're hurting. New Order have to face the inevitable Ian questions every bloody interview they do.

If they hadn't learned to shut themselves off from the inane and insensitive questions early on, they'd have probably assaulted several journalists by now.

The guy in the shades looks a little like Lou Reed. Which makes no sense whatsoever.

And I liked Revenge. Crazy, I know. 😁

Those interstitials are possibly it, then. Could've sworn I saw a proper Perfecto video though. I'll shall have to crank up the Best Of video and see if things seem familiar.

You're right about one thing with Revenge at least; flirting with certain imagery probably didn't help their acceptance.
The SkinTwo stuff and names such as Surf Nazi, Fag Hag, Pineapple Face, Bleachman, Gun World Porn and Little Pig probably didn't ingratiate themselves with too many people.

Can't imagine a song with the title 'Fag Hag' reaching number 1, even if it had sounded like Bohemian Rhapsody (which it didn't).

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Haven't seen those two videos for years.
I actually have them on a video tape I bought from The Record Peddler on Swan Street (I think) in Manchester in the mid 90s. There were other NO-related tracks on it too, IIRC, including Tasty Fish video, possibly some Electronic ones and the videos for 7 Reasons and Jesus...I Love You (both exactly the same video, just different songs played over the top). There was also a video on it to one of the remixes of Pineapple Face (Big Day, maybe), that differed to the standard video (still fetish stuff, but different scenes).

Thanks for linking to those two, though. Has been twenty years plus since I last saw them.

Yeah, that's the one. The 'Jesus...I Love You' video is exactly the same.
I remember feeling slightly ripped off when buying that bootleg video to find that two of the ten or so videos on it (all ripped from Factory promo tapes) were exactly the same.

PS The mix-to-vid thing sounds like something Rage TV used to do.

I meant Rockamerica https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l22755WHSG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1CfAaReOq8

Didn't know about the version of International that you mentioned, so thanks for that. On investigation, it appears that there is a version with a bonus DVD containing Blue Monday from 511, a shorter version of the TPK video and the version of True Faith you mentioned, i.e. a slightly extended version with additional live footage.

Perhaps that True Faith 'mash-up' version of their videos is what I'm thinking of. Don't suppose anyone can direct me to a copy of this?

I think the Blue Monday video was fairly obscure back in the day. It was on the Factory 'Shorts' video and was shown on the 'Rock Of Europe' documentary that showed all their other videos (back in '88 or so).
I think you're right about Steve making it himself. Maybe he made it in case TOTP again refused to let them play live; at least they'd have something to show instead (as they were still dead against miming).

I never really understand all the hatred for Revenge. No, it wasn't exactly supreme quality material but there were some bright spots (Jesus...I Love You, Pineapple Face, Big Bang, Deadbeat, State Of Shock).
Also, when comparing it to some of the dross that was in the charts at the time, it was a lot better. Generally speaking the early nineties were bloody awful (excepting certain established bands like NO and DM, some grunge and some Madchester stuff).
This was the era of Jive Bunny and SAW, remember. Even the Indie stuff seemed to be considerably poorer than had come out just a few years earlier, (again certain bands excepted - St Etienne, Pixies, MBV, Cocteaus etc.)

As previously mentioned I think the imagery worked against them. Also, Hook's previously impressive work were always going to make comparisons seem unfavourable. Finally, the tracks, especially Jesus...I Love You and the LP, suffered from being absolutely chock full of stuff. They really needed to strip the tracks down a bit.
I still play OTP relatively frequently.

Ah, ok there was a bonus DVD with one version or a limited edition version of International? That rings a bell now and probably where i read about the alternate video of TF with the extra Glastonbury 87 footage.As i said, i never bought International but i'd be interested to see the different TF video somehow somewhere.I don't know where you can find the mash up video for True Faith 94, i'm sure i saw it once, maybe on the Item DVD which i have but don't have to hand.


Revenge: the only song i ever really liked was Amsterdam which i think was a cover version anyway.Maybe i should give them a second listen a second chance.But yeah, they were no worse than a lot of early 90s music i guess.Like you say, even some of the early 90s Indie stuff was dire compared to mid 80s Indie.Along with various early 90s dance stuff like for example K-klass's Rhythm Is A Mystery the indie i listened to back then was stuff like the Cocteaus' Heaven Or Las Vegas album, House Of Love and Slowdive,but yeah there wasn't an awful lot of great Indie stuff around that time.I never really gave Pixies or My Bloody Valentine much of a listen though to be fair, maybe i should of.I remember loving a lot of Slowdive stuff back in about 1991-92 but listened to it again not so long back and it sounded absolutely awful, crap.Strange.Maybe their stuff just didn't age well though i think they're making a comeback now, heard one new song recently.

Totally agree. The two bands produced some good stuff between them.

There are three problems with Revenge:
1. There is no song structure. Ernest Hemingway, an avid fan of New Order and Hooky in partcular, wrote he would churn out 91 pages of shit for one page of masterpiece. Hooky just leaves everything in.
2. The words are too pretentious. There's a tendency to use abstract terminology over direct image-building.
3. They are total and utter fucking shit.
Here's something for hard core fans only: http://www.worldinmotion...views/brianwhittaker.htm I love the way he's so critical of other bands when his own CV is so stunning.