Hi folks,

Found an unusual version of True Faith in a 1986 (not 1987, 1986!!!) Polygram double Cassette promo.

It's called "Extended November" and it features various tracks - New Order plus MARRS, Gene Loves Jezebel, Love And Rcokets Curiosity Killed The Cat.... and many many more

On the New Order bit (3rd track, First tape, first side) it says:

True Faith 7" Remix
adapted from the factory 7"/12" single,
specially-priced two c.d. set, longplay
cassette and double album
"Substance"

On hearing it, it's a very interesting mix. It sounds a rough mix, with drums first, then synth and synth bass, then hookys hook mixed with the chorus line (the high pitch melody) - then vocals kick.
It also has a very cool sample at the beginning that was removed later (some film dialogue - Children... you better clear out the broken glass and all this debris. all and all I say we've been very lucky around here... nothing to do now but wait for orders from the authorities and relax...)

Interesting bits,

• it's from November 86
  
• different mix than others (but no new elements apart from intro sample)
  
• "adapted" from 7"/12"
  

Does anyone know of it? Oh also it's not like the Polygram Holiday Sampler

Me too.

I was always under the impression that the song wasn’t written until 1987, not long before its debut at Glastonbury in June of that year.
So an appearance on a 1986 promo is very surprising.

It’s also a bit weird that they would refer to the 7”, 12” and ’Substance’ several months or so before they were released (9 months in the case of ‘Substance’). Factory were rarely that organised.
Also, according to Hooky’s book, ‘True Faith’ was recorded in June 1987 (which seems likely), so I can’t see that this mix could’ve been ‘adapted’ from the 7” / 12” back in November 1986.

I therefore wonder if the promo has been mislabelled. I’m guessing it should say 11/87.

Still, very interesting and I’d love to hear it.

Edited by user 02 August 2019 19:11:03(UTC)  | Reason: Added details about TF recording date.

1986 really does not fit the established/verified chronology of when True Faith was written and recorded.

As is documented and verified in numerous places the lyrics weren't even written until the June 1987 recording session with Hague (the band famously locking Bernard in the flat until the next day) so I find it really hard to believe there was a promo version floating around in late '86 with a 'vocal kicking in' unless it was a completely different set of words.

A picture of the item and a 30 second sample of audio would really help the credibility of this. Or as others have noted it may simply be an 87 promo mislabelled as 86.

I don't think True Faith existed in 1986 other than very possibly as a collection of yet-to-be-assembled riffs.

Was going to say the same thing. Even going beyond Discogs, I can only find one mention, but it doesn't give a tracklist.



If this was intended to be an in-store promo cassette, the sample may be something added to link songs together. Meaning, there's similar dialogue between other songs, and it's not a sample the band used (or it was placed there by whoever created this edit).

SAMC 086 is the catalog number, not the year.

The Rainmakers' Tornado, released late summer 1987
John Cougar Mellencamp's The Lonesome Jubilee, released August 24, 1987
Substance, released August 17, 1987
"Pump Up The Volume" released August 3, 1987
Curiosity Killed The Cat's Keep Your Distance, released April 1987
Double's Dou3le, released late summer 1987

True Faith 7" Remix is going to be The Morning Sun Edit, which was only released on the hard to find Video CD FACDV 183, on a Canadian promo 7", a U.S. promo CD for radio stations, and likely one or two other places. We included it in the Recycle project.

I'm betting the sample was placed there by whoever compiled the cassette.

Edited by user 03 August 2019 10:29:55(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Definitely The Morning Sun Edit.

Easy way to identify it as the 7 Inch Remix edit of Shep Pettibone version is if it has the truncated chorus with the lyrics that make no sense: "My morning sun is a drug that brings me near, that my life would depend on the morning sun". Always hated that edit in each chorus of that mix - ruined that version completely.

Petzarustica, can you check out this video of The Morning Sun Remix 7 Inch on YouTube and confirm if it's the same version (minus the intro quote) please?

I can't find a record of any non-promo 7" version of True Faith released in 1987 in the US - looks like only 12" was released in the US. I'd be surprised if the 7" Remix Edit was the official single version in the US, as it was such an odd edit.

Which US 7" release are you referring to?

I'd forgotten The Morning Sun Edit was the standard U.S. 7"...maybe that's why the Qwest promo CD was highly sought after in those early eBay days, when the Factory CDV was even harder to find.

SRC means it was pressed by Specialty Records Corporation. Scroll down for the notes.

It was also pressed by Allied Record Company.

I bought both the 'True Faith' CDV and the 'Blue Monday 1988' CDV from HMV Manchester, at separate times. Back in 1990-1, I think.

I bought the 'True Faith' one first as I had no idea what 'Evil Dust' was and wanted to find out. I also wanted the 12" remix of 'True Faith' on CD and this was the only way to get it at the time.
I was pleasantly surprised that the '7 Inch' on the disc was different from the standard 7" version. Although it wasn't the greatest mix (due to those vocal edits mentioned), in an age where I wanted every single mix, it was nice to have something fairly unique.

I dragged my feet in buying the 'Blue Monday 1988' CDV simply because, on the face of it, it didn't seem to have anything exclusive on it (unlike the 'True Faith' one). It looked like it contained exactly the same tracks as the standard CD single (which I already had). Again though, I was very pleasantly surprised to find, when I did buy it, that 'Beach Buggy' was actually the 'Blue Monday 1988 - Dub Version' (which I had on 12" promo, but not CD) and the '7 Inch' was actually an exclusive version of the 7".

So, all in all, these two CDVs were pretty cool releases. Typical Factory though - ballsing up the track listings (they were especially bad around this time - Mesh/Cries & Whispers on 'Substance'; 'Temptation (Original Version)' on 'Touched' CD etc.).

I've still never seen the videos on either disc, so not sure if there's any variation to these (like that different version of the 'True Faith' video) or any unique title screens etc.
I doubt that many people will have seen them. For all we know, they might contain home videos of Lord Lucan riding Shergar.

Yup, my copy has the same issue.

I corrected it a few years ago by ripping the CDV as one long WAV file, re-editing it with the correct track markers and burning back to CDr.

This allowed me to take a digital copy minus the track index issues.

Great, thank you! I performed a similar procedure when ripping the tracks to my iPod. I had wanted to add this information to the Discogs page for this item but wanted to confirm at least somebody else was affected before doing so.

Edit: I have added the info in question to https://www.discogs.com/release/882345

Edited by user 11 August 2019 13:40:43(UTC)  | Reason: Adding note about adding info to Discogs entry