Well, maybe they weren’t aware of that connection.
I wasn’t, so maybe they weren’t.

I know very little about Wagner, so can’t really comment on what you’re saying. However, if you’re correct, maybe they should’ve done a bit of research.
But, that being said, it’s not like they’re coming out singing ‘Deutschland Uber Alles’. In other words, very few people going to the gig would recognise it as a ‘problematic’ piece of music.

I’m not being critical here, but I think you’re looking for dubious motives that aren’t necessarily there.

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Yeah but it's used with the 1936 Germany olympics divers clip and album cover NOM with the diver from it that Hitler hosted. Was a huuuuuuge part of history and major historical event leading up to ww2. So..definitely are aware of the link there. It's just very poor taste and bizarre. If in an innocent artistic symbolic way..then okay ..just explain it. But it's just weird. No explanation to it.

Really always rubbed me the wrong way. The track itself is also samples in All Day Long, too and it's used in the Nosferatu film that Barney and Ian liked. So I thought maybe that's where the idea came from, but with the accompanied imagery and the very historical linkage to it and the music I was like..ugh. .

So I dunno. All weird.

I love the band. Just really irks me to even fathom any of them being a fan of any of that shit. Then it also doesn't help when Hooky-camp fans add to the Barney being a secret Nazi supporter stuff.

Maybe I’m moving in different circles to you, but I’ve not heard any Hooky fans use this as ammunition. They always seem to just harp on about the formulaic nature of New Order’s set.

Again, I wasn’t aware that the divers were from the 1936 Olympics

I think the fact that no-one else seems to be mentioning this on the ‘net should reassure you somewhat that there’s nothing really in this.
Sure as eggs, if there was any real meat to this, the internet would be jumping all over it.

omg hitler liked flowers... POWER CORRUPTION AND LIES IS NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you serious? So referencing or alluding to anything from Germany from 1930-1945 makes you a Nazi Fascist Racist?

Someone likes the esthetics of a Panzer tank and it means they wish Jews were all put into concentration camps?

Are you insane?

Here, imagine watching some footage about Berlin in 1936 --- are you evil for watching this?

omfg

https://youtu.be/Es6f7K4c-y8



p.s. seriously, why this forum not let us embed youtube....

I'm not sure that the "Divers" intro footage is anything to do with the 1936 Olympics at all. I could be wrong, but I have a memory of reading in a couple of places that it's archive film of divers diving into Sydney Harbour - NO might even have first started using it during their Australian shows, with the orchestra. The first time I can recall anyone screaming "Leni Riefenstahl!" at it was in a Guardian review of the last Glastonbury show, and I have a feeling that was a kneejerk assumption, rather than based on any research or curious frame-by-frame memory of Triumph Of The Will. I've also always assumed the Wagner came from the group's love of the excellent Nosferatu soundtrack (Tangerine Dream, too) - feel free to try and tell Herzog he's a Nazi...

Maybe it is - I'm just contributing what I recall reading somewhere. I know the Riefenstahl stuff (I even knew about that crap before YouTube existed), but I've not personally been able to match my memory of the NO clips with the Riefenstahl stuff on YT, although I do admit I've not spent much time looking. But she wasn't the only person filming divers in the 1930s and 1940s. For example, check this footage, filmed in Sydney at the Olympic pool, circa 1938:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYFirheEMM8

https://www.gettyimages..../594666971?adppopup=true

Ahhh. Didnt know that. Thought it was all 1936. Or so it appeared. Looked identical.
Thanks for sharing this. Hmm, interesting.

I can't recall where I read it originally, sorry, but I searched and found some mention in reviews from those shows at the Sydney Opera House - the Sydney Harbour bridge is actually visible in the background in some sections of the footage in the montage, so I guess folks there would recognise it:

https://www.theguardian....r-a-moving-retrospective

https://rocknerd.co.uk/2...opera-house-june-4-2016/

https://tonedeaf.thebrag...orchestra-we-were-there/

Don't forget New Order's Jewish friends - Alan Wise, Arthur Baker, Ruth Polsky, Billy Joel etc. And also working with Quincy Jones doesn't seem the actions of nazis.

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I've never heard about this - what's their connection to Billy Joel?

Goodbye

That was an aside in general comment about anything or anyone in general. Not necessarily this topic, as I said in my last post. Was more referring to the state of our stupid world at this moment, politically. USA and UK...and how easily people can be led to think one way and it not be what it seems. Ie Trump and certain assholes in UK office. I'm from America and we are heavily dealing with the onslaught of certain kind of Trump supporters that are..or WERE.. closet racists, homophobes, etc and once kept it hush til now because Trumps making it seem like it's okay to be a bigot asshole.

Then I threw in my Ian comment because I've always thought Ian had some creepy side. Not really sure why I mentioned that, because it's really not pertaining to NO itself. But still mightve rubbed off on the members but in terms of just aesthetic interest and shock value shit. Was never an Ian fan and was always a New Order fan. But never could fully get into Joy Division. No offense.
And that was in my head at the time and probably should not have put that in there with that.