Listened and followed this tonight. Intro to Procession afterwards felt like the hope and light after the darkness of Movement.But a good listening party.Well it was until Hooky couldn't help himself right at the end and had a nasty dig at Steve who had tweeted a few times during the party.

I haven't had the chance to listen/watch the listening party yet (I will replay it on catch-up over the next few days), but have just checked Twitter.

For this who aren't on Twitter, he said the following:

"Thanks everyone for listening! I really hope I can get back to playing this live for you soon.

But I must admit, please don’t be fooled by all the togetherness shown in these listening parties.

We have not spoken for nearly 9 years, have we Steve?"


There are a handful of people defending Hooky for this comment, saying that it could be an olive branch. There are also some people who feel that he spoilt the experience with that parting shot.

As regards whether it was an olive branch or a side-swipe, it seems more like the latter... but who knows?
If his intention was to take small steps towards peace, it might've been a bit better to just thank Steve for his contributions throughout the evening...

Or just pick up the 'phone.

I'm wondering if Hooky was not particularly pleased with what he felt was 'interference' from Steve. I don't think Hooky commented during Steve's three Listening Parties, and perhaps he felt that this should've been reciprocated by Steve.

I know that we will never have the four of them back together, but surely it'd be better for all concerned if they made some effort to at least get along?

It'd certainly help me, as a fan. All this bad blood is just bothersome...

At the moment he posted the comment last night i immediately took it as a swipe at Steve and it ended the evening on a nasty note.This morning on reflection , maybe the "we haven't spoke for 9 years, have we Steve?" bit i suppose could be interpreted as an olive branch.But i'm more inclined to go with my original gut feeling from last night when i first saw the comment, it reads as a go at Steve.

Yep, i guess Steve contributing with earlier tweets put Hooky in an arsey mood.

How on earth does Hooky think Steve would have time for him after all the nasty stuff he's said about Gillian? Baffling.

And yes, as tapebias said above, Hooky posting The Light videos ? FFS.

Edited by user 29 August 2020 02:24:52(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Yep i noticed that too.Also Hooky repeatedly said about how they struggled with Martin Hannett and were relieved to work on their own after.I know it's a well known fact they didn't always get on or agree with Martin but Hooky didn't half keep banging on about it last night.

Ugh. I’m a big fan of Hook but this is not defendable.

He's not even the best singer in The Light. Had the misfortune to see Revenge - one of the worst singers I've ever seen and don't get me started on the swinging elephant trunk arm.

well Hooky has played JD/NO basslines for how many years now, and he's never learned how to play, and sing at the same time either. he's even admitted to it. hence why there's always been a second bass player in Revenge/Monaco/The Light.


... also can someone actually explain how these Twitter listening parties actually work? i just read the Tweets in real time as they are being posted. is there someone streaming the album somewhere to listen to, while the Tweets are being Tweeted? or are you supposed to listen to the album yourself, and just follow along?

Been without internet for a week (thanks BT) so I missed all this.
I wonder if I'm going to regret this post...

I am not here as Team Hooky or Team anyone, but my attempt to understand Mr Hook is:

He felt genuinely undermined by what "the others" did about re-defining NO whilst he was DJ-ing in Japan. The fact that he got a settlement suggests he may have had a valid point. But i think he was also personally hurt by "the way they did it", even if he hasn't quite said it.
All the interviews he gave between 2007 and the time of settlement were an opportunity to fight back. Often by saying unpleasant things. Regardless of whether he went about it the right way, he saw himself as wronged and therefore entitled to fight dirty just as he thinks the others did.

When they sorted their settlement, Hooky seemed to mellow a bit (his comment on twitter: "you can see both " referring to NO and The Light, comes to mind).

Watching some of the weekly Instagram interviews he has been doing with Jack recently, he talks about the emails/letters he gets from NO when they're sorting out business matters (PCL box set etc, I think). He seems genuinely bothered by the way they still talk to him in these communications. He suggests they are rather rude/cold.

He talks about JD and how NO celebrate their music more these days live ("Joy Division forever"). He says he hopes the other two (B&S) get to enjoy JD now, as he does when he plays JD with the Light. He sometimes speaks favourably (fondly?) of Gillian.

I think he would actually like the communications between the parties to be a bit warmer. He has stopped calling them names and even called them New Order (not The Other Lot etc) when talking about the O2 UK London gig that he thought they were gonna do this autumn.


I remember when Hooky was complaining when Steve did the first couple of listening parties that Tim hadn't "invited" him to take part. i suggested at the time that Tim may have been trying to avoid an awkward situation.
I still think that was the case, and it seems that situation finally arose on Friday night.
Hooky finds it weird that he and Steve pay each other compliments on twitter whilst simultaneously he receives communications from NO that genuinely bother him.

Whether he deserves to feel like this after all the comments he has made is of course, open to debate. This is just my take on how Peter Hook sees things.

I wish we could all be a bit more objective. Just because he was in NO doesn't mean his opinions mean anything any more or he cares about 'the fans' any more than lining his pockets. Same for New Order too. I'm only interested in new music so the endless nostalgia is a bit of a grind.

Hook could lighten up, have a laugh, make some new music instead of hawking the back catalogue around the world. Learn to play and sing at the same time like bass gods Mark King or Geddy Lee and diversify a bit. What's to look forward to apart from endless JD/NO retro sets and Cheshire Life features? Salford Rules my arse.

Yes Very True, Peter needs to make some new music with Monaco, Enough with the JD/NO album playing he did enough of it all over the world, after all the years he definitely must have some new inspiration, new lyrics ,thought and ideas about new music, new bass chords and electronic beats for some great music, He should show the fans that he still has it in him and the fans will love hearing it, I just heard Blunts & Roberts collab he did with Crystal Method and was so impressed with it, even though it came out years ago I never gave it a listen till last week and it sounded great had such a nice New Order sound to it, why cant Peter make a new Monaco album with the New Order sound on it, Monaco's first album was amazing the second one was alright, so Peter come on

It's early days but could be Post of the Month.

Doubt he'd have the balls to do his own material as it would lower his 'market value' too much. Apart from a few hardcore fans no one's bothered about Monaco or Freebass now. He'll still be up there at 70 I reckon banging out JD tunes in his tassled loafers.

Not sure why hookys pissed Steve joined in? I didnt see it as interfering. Just joining in n tossing in a few fun bits. Like everyone else. Plus tim had steve doing it for ages now.

Plus hooky is outta his mind to expect any reaching out by steve after he totally spent numerous posts throwing snide shade at Gillian. So pretty sure steve wasnt thrilled with that.............

Hooky likes the drama, I think.