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trafaelwyr		#101 Posted : 16 September 2020 15:12:39(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 26/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 29 Location: Antarctica Traffic Control Thanks: 3 times Was thanked: 35 time(s) in 29 post(s)		Just went and ordered myself the 12". I just need to go back to the 12" singles that were released off of MC and get those to go along with the box set I have.

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Fotz		#102 Posted : 16 September 2020 20:57:44(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,657 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 678 times Was thanked: 3737 time(s) in 2658 post(s)		Where’s our old friend keepitcoming these days? Thought he/she would have been all over this, a new song.

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Andy		#103 Posted : 16 September 2020 22:52:39(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotz Where’s our old friend keepitcoming these days? Thought he/she would have been all over this, a new song. I see what you did there.
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NotAMod		#104 Posted : 20 September 2020 10:28:15(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 671 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1105 time(s) in 673 post(s)		A dodgy "promo CD" for Be A Rebel has cropped up on eBay which looks nothing like established Mute promotional CDrs. The insert looks hand-cut with a pair of scissors and all of the information printed on the "release" could have come character for character from the Discogs entries for the digital versions. Also, the story of how the person came into possession of the CD... well, the timelines don't really match. Can anyone on the forum with connections to the band or label hint whether this is genuine or not? If it is not then some fan or collector might be about to be fleeced (not me, I hasten to add. I won't be bidding even if it is genuine). Thoughts?

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Johnny James		#105 Posted : 20 September 2020 11:02:25(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1044 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod A dodgy "promo CD" for Be A Rebel has cropped up on eBay which looks nothing like established Mute promotional CDrs. The insert looks hand-cut with a pair of scissors and all of the information printed on the "release" could have come character for character from the Discogs entries for the digital versions. Also, the story of how the person came into possession of the CD... well, the timelines don't really match. Can anyone on the forum with connections to the band or label hint whether this is genuine or not? If it is not then some fan or collector might be about to be fleeced (not me, I hasten to add. I won't be bidding even if it is genuine). Thoughts? I don't know if there's a real promo CD for it, but I can say from years of experience in record shops etc dealing with genuine promos, that this looks home made and badly designed and is probably not official. Edit: look at the other promo CDs they've sold, all feature what look like the same CDR discs, same PVCs (consumer ones, perforated edges), similar 'design' characteristics despite being on different labels. It doesn't ring true at all. There are also too many signed items, also probably faked, though I can't be bothered to look at them too closely. Edited by user 20 September 2020 11:15:40(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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NotAMod		#106 Posted : 20 September 2020 11:30:32(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 671 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1105 time(s) in 673 post(s)		Thanks. That backs up what I was thinking. Regrettably someone will probably fall for it and bid a lot of money for a crap bootleg. Ah well.

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GotBlueEyes		#107 Posted : 20 September 2020 13:36:42(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 340 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 628 time(s) in 339 post(s)		Didn't even chart in the Download charts? I make that the 5th single in a row that hasn't charted now. Sad times

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Mr. Disco		#108 Posted : 20 September 2020 15:20:58(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 241 Location: Brazil Thanks: 1468 times Was thanked: 509 time(s) in 241 post(s)		I remember People on the High Line being #1 on the physical singles chart, no?
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Linus Solanki		#109 Posted : 20 September 2020 16:51:27(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 10/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 629 Location: NYC Thanks: 59 times Was thanked: 1027 time(s) in 649 post(s)		Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Didn't even chart in the Download charts? I make that the 5th single in a row that hasn't charted now. Sad times It makes me very sad that a song this good didn’t chart. Such a great catchy song. Much better that most of the crap on top 20. It really saddens me that New Orders music is getting less famous and not many people listening to. I also love U2 , Depeche Mode and Pet shop boys but when they release some it gets noticed and ends up being high on the chart buy why not NO. They are equally good as those bands that I mentioned above.
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50poundnote		#110 Posted : 20 September 2020 17:38:17(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 552 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 1072 time(s) in 553 post(s)		Be A Rebel peaked at #13 on the UK iTunes download chart, and #1 on the Alternative chart. It peaked at #86 on the US iTunes chart. It's had 5,390,915 streams on Spotify, but only 280,194 views on YouTube. It will likely chart when the physical 12"/digital bundle is released on November 13th.
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50poundnote		#111 Posted : 20 September 2020 17:42:07(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 552 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 1072 time(s) in 553 post(s)		Chart position doesn't mean anything anyway. They still sell out massive venues. Didn't Steve once say if you believe in the charts you may as well believe in fairies?
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Coops		#112 Posted : 20 September 2020 22:47:49(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 448 Location: Xiberia Thanks: 34 times Was thanked: 611 time(s) in 456 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Linus Solanki It makes me very sad that a song this good didn’t chart. Such a great catchy song. Much better that most of the crap on top 20. It really saddens me that New Orders music is getting less famous and not many people listening to. I also love U2 , Depeche Mode and Pet shop boys but when they release some it gets noticed and ends up being high on the chart buy why not NO. They are equally good as those bands that I mentioned above. Don't forget U2 have always and still are happy to promote their product every which way possible whereas New Orders policy of "Can't Really Be Arsed" still seems to be being followed. I'm not sure about PSBs but the Depeche albums always seem to appear near the top of the charts before sinking without trace (probably because they've all sounded the same since 1997. Come on Depeche, where's the melodies gone? Enough on that staticy crunchy crap).

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Michael Monkhouse		#113 Posted : 20 September 2020 23:13:05(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Coops Don't forget U2 have always and still are happy to promote their product every which way possible whereas New Orders policy of "Can't Really Be Arsed" still seems to be being followed. Sounds cool and UberNewOrder but like a lot of the mythology around the band It hasn't been true for years. In 1993 they made Ginger Spice look like J D Salinger.

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perspexorange		#114 Posted : 21 September 2020 02:21:54(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse In 1993 they made Ginger Spice look like J D Salinger. And what's Ginger doing these days? Or the rest of them?

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Michael Monkhouse		#115 Posted : 21 September 2020 02:34:43(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		They're organising our six-way wedding. Now leave my religion alone.

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negative1		#116 Posted : 21 September 2020 06:20:28(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,186 Thanks: 934 times Was thanked: 1778 time(s) in 1188 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod A dodgy "promo CD" for Be A Rebel has cropped up on eBay which looks nothing like established Mute promotional CDrs. The insert looks hand-cut with a pair of scissors and all of the information printed on the "release" could have come character for character from the Discogs entries for the digital versions. Also, the story of how the person came into possession of the CD... well, the timelines don't really match. Can anyone on the forum with connections to the band or label hint whether this is genuine or not? If it is not then some fan or collector might be about to be fleeced (not me, I hasten to add. I won't be bidding even if it is genuine). Thoughts? It might be fake. But at least its not signed. But I wonder how they've managed to keep a 100% rating through hundreds of sales. Thats pretty impressive. The rest were probably bought from someone else, they mentioned that did have actual signed items, so those are probably real. later -1 Edited by user 21 September 2020 06:23:30(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Michael Monkhouse		#117 Posted : 21 September 2020 07:10:07(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Seriously dodgy.

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perspexorange		#118 Posted : 21 September 2020 09:51:40(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse They're organising our six-way wedding. Now leave my religion alone. See, I hinted that they'd fallen on hard times.

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Michael Monkhouse		#119 Posted : 21 September 2020 10:00:40(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Not just times, if they're lucky. Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.

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perspexorange		#120 Posted : 21 September 2020 10:27:47(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal. True! It's great that they're releasing this in physical formats.

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LostSiren		#121 Posted : 21 September 2020 14:56:45(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 01/08/2013(UTC) Posts: 182 Location: Boston Thanks: 35 times Was thanked: 231 time(s) in 182 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Not just times, if they're lucky. Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal. I'm taking this the wrong way, surely, but Brutal was the start of a great 6 years of New Order productivity.

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Michael Monkhouse		#122 Posted : 21 September 2020 23:29:32(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		I meant a full-on single with artwork and mixes as opposed to a single track on an OST featuring crud like the Spice Girls' aborted daughters All Saints and the mind-numbingly overrated Blur. Working Overtime, Rock the Shack, the lyrics to Player in the League... Great years indeed. Edited by user 21 September 2020 23:30:18(UTC) \| Reason: Melanie

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Fotz		#123 Posted : 22 September 2020 03:58:41(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,657 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 678 times Was thanked: 3737 time(s) in 2658 post(s)		Out of interest, i spent a few minutes scanning through the tracks played on various shows on Radio 2 and BBC 6Music over the last couple of weeks to see if Be A Rebel had received much airplay.The only time i found it had been played on Radio 2 was when Zoe Ball premiered it on the breakfast show the day it was released.Shaun Keaveny played it the next day on his 6Music show after the short chat with Steve.Since then absolutely no plays on either station as far as i could find except for Amy Lame on 6Music who played it last Sunday on her afternoon show.Odd.Maybe it'll get more airplay when the physical copies are released in November.

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Linus Solanki		#124 Posted : 22 September 2020 04:42:50(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 10/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 629 Location: NYC Thanks: 59 times Was thanked: 1027 time(s) in 649 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotz Out of interest, i spent a few minutes scanning through the tracks played on various shows on Radio 2 and BBC 6Music over the last couple of weeks to see if Be A Rebel had received much airplay.The only time i found it had been played on Radio 2 was when Zoe Ball premiered it on the breakfast show the day it was released.Shaun Keaveny played it the next day on his 6Music show after the short chat with Steve.Since then absolutely no plays on either station as far as i could find except for Amy Lame on 6Music who played it last Sunday on her afternoon show.Odd.Maybe it'll get more airplay when the physical copies are released in November. Yes I also had checked last week to see the track listing last week on BBC 2 & 6 and not that much AirPlay. So sad. Such a good song and not that much AirPlay
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perspexorange		#125 Posted : 22 September 2020 11:43:45(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Originally Posted by: LostSiren Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal. I'm taking this the wrong way, surely, but Brutal was the start of a great 6 years of New Order productivity. True, it was productive, but I'm not sure how worthwhile a lot of the songs that followed it were, but that 's just my opinion. Personally speaking, I always think that 'Brutal' kind of set the template for a lot of bland songs that followed: Brutal 60 Miles An Hour Slow Jam Close Range Sabotage Player In The League Such A Good Thing Who's Joe? Hey Now What You Doing I Told You So Working Overtime I'll Stay With You Hellbent Shake It Up I Got A Feeling ...all sound fairly similar to me. I know some of these are a little bit different (Slow Jam, I Told You So, etc.), but there are definite similarities in a lot of of those tracks. However, I think the point that Michael was making was that 'Brutal' was just kind of 'thrown out there', with no fanfare, wedged between other artists' tracks on a soundtrack LP. It should be noted as well, that the song is barely heard in the actual film (it was played very quietly on a radio, in the middle of a storm). A bit of a waste of a song (albeit, not a great one). At least with 'Be A Rebel', the band have made an effort to promote it, even releasing it on vinyl and CD single. (I still smart at the fact that I paid £15 just to hear 'Brutal' on 'The Beach' soundtrack). Edited by user 22 September 2020 23:02:59(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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