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Originally Posted by: perspexorange  Let's not forget Special.
Second only to Regret for me on the LP. SAME. I don't get all the Republic bashing on this forum. Get Ready is the piece of shit.
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Feels like I've been here before. http://forums.neworderon...sts&t=3550#post24477
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Ah, whatever happened to KIC?
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Maybe the narwahls got him. It's what he would've wanted.
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An anal-ysis of New Order's first allbums
By Richard Staines
Movement. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
PCL. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
Low Life. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
Brotherhood. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
Technique. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
Republic. This album Is shit.
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Be A Rebel review posted. Take care everyone.
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer you give them way too much credit for this song. i'd rate it a 2/5 at the most, the remixes might push it to a 3, but thats about it. repeated listens might force you to like it more, but when there's not much there to dig into in the first place, it just lessens what the song has (or doesn't have). later -1
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Originally Posted by: negative1 I'd rate it a 2/5 at the most, the remixes might push
it to a 3, but thats about it.
Funny you should say that. My rating was 3.5 up to a 4 in anticipation of the remixes - how optimistic is that! Don't kill my enthusiasm 
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I’m sorry but I’ve listened to be a Rebel about 40 times and it’s not sticking for me. It’s a nice throwaway pop song in the vein of Liar to me.
2.5/5
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Not overstruck either but it's light years ahead of Liar. After the wait and the hype I didn't know whether to laugh or piss myself. Utter crud.
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Originally Posted by: is it bro I’m sorry but I’ve listened to be a Rebel about 40 times and it’s not sticking for me. It’s a nice throwaway pop song in the vein of Liar to me.
2.5/5 Yeah, same for me. 2/5 here. It has a nice, summery, 'Republic' feel to it, but to me it just sounds like a demo made with basic MIDI synthesisers or soundcards. Granted, it's wonderful they are still releasing new material, and long may it continue, but my main problem with the song is that after playing it many times, it doesn't stick in my head - I couldn't sing it to you if you asked me how it goes. Hoping for something more interested in the Barney/Steve remixes... Edited by user 28 September 2020 03:52:14(UTC)
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I agree with you totally on these excellent observations, which I quote: Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ... nice, summery ... Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse ... light years ahead ... Originally Posted by: is it bro I’m sorry ... It’s ... nice Everything else was bitter and grumpy which I've had enough of for 2020. More light pop music required.
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I said Light years ahead... Of Liar. Kinda brings it down.
I think a lot of people are just pleased about (a) something cool in this shit year, (b) anything at all instead of yet another retread and (c) anything other than Liar.
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Just signed a publishing deal to turn the blog into a book, to be released in 2022. More details to come, and I might be in touch with some of you... 
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Just signed a publishing deal to turn the blog into a book, to be released in 2022. More details to come, and I might be in touch with some of you... Congratulations - sounds exciting! Are you going to call it 'From. Ceremony to Be A Rebel' now?
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That is, in the words of Sylvia Plath totally fucking awesome. About ten years ago I was in negotiations to translate this song-by-song JD book into English https://www.ibs.it/joy-d...di-marco/e/9788862310017 - unfortunately there were too many copyright complications because Deborah owns a lot of the rights. Bah. I'm quite happy to let you quote 'It is total and utter fucking shit'.
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Just signed a publishing deal to turn the blog into a book, to be released in 2022. More details to come, and I might be in touch with some of you... Excellent! Exciting times! Many congratulations, Dennis. It was a great blog and is worthy of preservation. Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse That's a real shame that didn't happen, Michael.  I'd've bought a copy.
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse I'm quite happy to let you quote 'It is total and utter fucking shit'. Ace.
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Congratulations - sounds exciting! Are you going to call it 'From. Ceremony to Be A Rebel' now? Don't want to outdate it too early  who knows what 2022 may bring...
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange That's a real shame that didn't happen, Michael. I'd've bought a copy. Well I spoke to the writer on the dog and boner AND in person at a presentation, but the problem was that his interpretation was heavily reliant on Ian's actual words, so we needed copyright clearance from Deborah. They were wary about approaching her and asking her to go through the tragedy yet again, especially in the name of an obscure Italian publishing company. My attitude has always been 'Fuck it', but they argued that even if she said yes, the costs would, alongside the effort and printing costs, make it financially shit. Good to know the PUNK attitude is still rampant, eh? The solution would've been to paraphrase but that would've made a frustrating and ultimately unreadable buke: You know, 'In this ditty, Ian says that that which the froggies call 'amour' is going to rip himself and an unspecified other / unspecified others into an unspecified number of pieces.' Ewww. I think the other problem was that I'm not authoritative enough. Apparently 'thinks New Order are overrated, says 'total and utter fucking shit' a lot and occasionally jerks off to Sporty' does not suffice. Snobs.
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Congratulations - sounds exciting! Are you going to call it 'From. Ceremony to Be A Rebel' now? Don't want to outdate it too early who knows what 2022 may bring... You could call it 'From Ceremony to yet another rehash'.
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse They were wary about approaching her and asking her to go through the tragedy yet again. They should've sent you to mediate with her. Your sensitive approach would've won the day, I'm sure! Joking aside, you're right; the approach that you would've had to have taken would've led to a fairly unsatisfactory reading experience. Still, a pretty frustrating experience for you. Dennis - please keep us all up to date with how the project is going. You can definitely put me down for a copy. I will say that your blog was a joy to read, and I eagerly looked forward to every new update. I will follow this thread with significant interest.
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Yeah! I could've softened her up with my JD routine:
What's smelly, full of shit and gives Mancs a boner? Tony Wilson... I saw a concert sign, New Order: Sold Out! I thought, Yes, in 1993, you cunts... I said, Doctor, I keep listening to one shit song that's been remixed to death. He said, How does it feel?... Seriously, it drives me mad when people say New Order are just a Joy division spin-off. I hate that - cos I've heard Joy Division. And they're even fucking worse... What's boring, jerks off to Hitler and pays three cunts' rent? Ian Curtis... What did John Lennon say to Ian Curtis? I know you're depressed - but nothing to get hung about. What did John Lennon say to Ian curtis the next day? Let me take you down... My dad was a failed epileptic. No great shakes. Could've been a mover and shaker. On Twitch... I loved it when Tony Wilson said. 'We didn't make records - We made HISTORY!' It's only half true. Like saying Joy Division were shit hot. History? Yeah, the Declaration of Independence - the Second World War - Crispy fucking Ambulance. For fuck's sake. And how could I forget the Stockholm Monsters? Easy. Cos they're total and utter fucking shit too.
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse
Joking aside, you're right; the approach that you would've had to have taken would've led to a fairly unsatisfactory reading experience.
Slightly off topic, but one of the most famous cases was Ian Hamilton's attempt to write a Salinger autobiography. Hamilton's scoop was finding a bunch of private letters, but Salinger took him to court over breach of privacy. The solution was to paraphrase, but unfortunately the charm of the original letters lay precisely in the prose, or as they called it 'the expressive heart', so in the end Hamilton withdrew and fleshed out the book with an accunt of the court case. Sadly (actually I don't give a fuck either way), the resulting autobiography is more interesting for the legal hoohah than any light it shed on Salinger's actual life and unpyblished wanks.
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Hi everyone - been a while, hope you're all well. I'm finishing up final edits for my New Order book for SonicBond Publishing, which will be largely based on my NewOrderTracks reviews blog. It'll be published as part of their "On Track" series. I could use some very specific facts that elude even my discographic brain. 1) I need to know both the studio and session dates (year+month or month-range) for the following recordings. Try as I might I haven't been able to pin them down. Video-586 The Christmas Flexi tracks Temptation 98 Brutal Here to Stay Peter Saville Soundtrack Control soundtrack recordings 2) I also want to confirm the session time period for their last 3 albums: a) Get Ready, b) 'Sirens Call and c) Music Complete album sessions. Published details are sketchy. Thanks Dennis
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