Now that people have started to receive the Power, Corruption & Lies box, what do we think will appear on Low-life?

Tracing paper sleeve
Newly-mastered without pre-emphasis
Let's Go (with original vocal)
Sunrise (Instrumental Rough Mix) from the Discreet Campaigns compilation
Full-length Elegia
Pumped Full Of Drugs

The Perfect Kiss 12"
Sub-culture 12"

I can't decide if the Shellshock 12" will be rolled into this or Brotherhood.

Pré emphasis is the reason why the sound of the original Factory CD is so low.
Yes, Sunrise (Instrumental Rough Mix) should be the priority number one.

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Live take of The Perfect Kiss from the video shoot that was included on the bonus CD in Retro.

As I mentioned on another thread I would love for full length Elegia on vinyl with let’s go on B side as an additional 12”. I know it’s not in keeping with the other box sets but it would be most appreciative if anyone with any influence is reading😷

Agreed. no need to put out something that didn't exist at the time.

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Another peculiar thing about including Shellshock is that State of the Nation was actually recorded months before it (in Japan, around the time of the release of Low-Life). But it would be odd to include State as its release was so close to that of Brotherhood.

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Yeah, I know it fits on ‘Brotherhood’ but am sure it was recorded around the time of ‘Low Life’.

There’s a gig somewhere (from around May 1985, I think) where Bernard introduces it as ‘a song so new, it isn’t even on our new LP’ or similar.

Think the song was debuted live on 17/04/85.

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Low-life with The Perfect Kiss and Subculture

Brotherhood with Shellshock, State Of The Nation, and Bizarre Love Triangle

Substance with True Faith, TF Remix, Touched By The Hand Of God, and Blue Monday '88

(Rolls Touched By The Hand Of God and Blue Monday '88 in on an extra CD, but preserves the track list of the original more or less)

Technique with Fine Time, FT Remix, Round & Round, Round & Remix, Run 2, World In Motion, and WIM Remix

(All the remaining remixes rolled in across 2 additional CDs)

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The Subculture sleeve though. Stick to the old? Disappointment all over again..

Some people still think there's more to the story than Saville's version that he wasn't asked to do a sleeve?
Ok. Some people have convinced themselves that the earth is flat.
Jude Rogers of The Quietus thinks that the arrival of Gillian (who could barely play keyboards) had a huge affect on NO's sound.
I can't force people to stick to the facts...

why should they change it. they typography on the labels is cool enough.

leave things alone.

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Ok my post was a bit arsy but I fear that when people offer up scenarios such as "there might be a sleeve but maybe it was done too late", they end up as some sort of semi-assumed fact or urban myth. Like the guy in the TPK video who supposedly represented Ian Curtis (nope).

So maybe my tone was a little strong in that last post.
Nonetheless, I'm with Monkhouse on Gillian. Imagine if any one of us joined the three remaining members of JD and said: "right I'm going to be instrumental in changing their sound even though I'm a newbie with no experience". Nah! As she says in the interview "I got some of my bits in". Great, more power to you Gillian, but that's not quite the same as Jude's interpretation of things.

As for the story about Saville hating the Subculture remix. What's the source?

Dunno about the source. It's again one of those things that was probably said in an article back in the day.
It's something i remember reading years ago. Lost in the mists of time.

Some references to it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-culture_(song)
https://factoryrecords.o...r-sub-culture-single.php
https://www.niagara.edu/.../singles/subculture.html
https://newordertracks.w...m/2016/08/25/subculture/
https://www.discogs.com/...Sub-Culture/master/40993

Of course, a lot of these may just be recycling the same story. I'm sure I did read something back in the early 90s though (i.e. pre-internet).

I've never truly believed this legend though (that Saville hated the mix).
From what I've read about him, he was not someone who particularly cared much about New Order's music. I can't really imagine him taking the time to listen to a test pressing, let alone dismiss it (especially enough to refuse to do a sleeve, but to design the labels).

There was an interesting discussion about the sleeve on here a year or two ago, with 50poundnote hypothesising, IIRC, that the blank sleeve and the labels may have actually been the 'design'. This was a pretty cool theory and one I could get on board with.

However, that kind of goes against what Saville says in that Discogs link above where he says 'No, all I can presume is that one was not asked for.' (which is presumably your source for Saville not being asked). However, this may have been an off the cuff remark and, if faced with the actual artwork in front of him, he may well have said 'Oh - this one? Yeah, I designed it like this on purpose'.

Who knows, eh?