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Michael Monkhouse		#51 Posted : 13 January 2021 12:50:56(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Mucous Complete had some wank in progess names as well http://forums.neworderon...sts&t=2927#post18065

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perspexorange		#52 Posted : 13 January 2021 12:54:52(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Originally Posted by: perspexorange 'Pop 1' (Morning, Night & Day) I've always thought that was a very underrated song. It's one of my favorites on the album. I've just been listening to WFTSC and I feel much the same about 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion'. Such a great pop song!

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Fractured		#53 Posted : 13 January 2021 13:09:14(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 10/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 38 Location: USA Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 50 time(s) in 38 post(s)		From what I understand ... "Big Chord" = "Ruined in a Day" "Techno One" = "World" "Chemical" = "Special" (!) I don't know that content for "Here Are the Old Men" was ever decided, but that title needs to be used! (Although first we need an official DVD/BluRay release of "Here Are the Young Men.")

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perspexorange		#54 Posted : 13 January 2021 13:20:26(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fractured "Chemical" = "Special" (!) This is certainly possible, as this has happened once or twice before (swapping of titles between songs). 'Incubation' / 'A Means To An End' springs to mind as one that apparently swapped names at some point. Oh, and wasn't 'Primitive Notion' once called 'Run Wild'? Edited by user 13 January 2021 13:26:35(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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thehappyone		#55 Posted : 13 January 2021 19:16:51(UTC)
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Johnny James		#56 Posted : 13 January 2021 23:21:40(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 450 Location: UK Was thanked: 1036 time(s) in 450 post(s)		Two working titles from WFTSC/Lost Sirens were 'Scott Walker' and 'Madonna'. I can't remember which tracks they were though, which one has a Scott Walker sample? I think Madonna might have been Hellbent.

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Johnny James		#57 Posted : 13 January 2021 23:23:06(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 450 Location: UK Was thanked: 1036 time(s) in 450 post(s)		Originally Posted by: thehappyone https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone. Ruined is Big Chord, that's a tick at the end not a J. Edit: There are a few duplications, you've also got it listed lower down. A few of those Republic demos are ideas that were never used, they don't align to finished tracks at all. MT One is definitely what eventually turned into MTO, and it'll be because of the Roland MT32, which was used extensively on Technique. Edited by user 13 January 2021 23:30:20(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#58 Posted : 14 January 2021 00:50:29(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James Ruined is Big Chord, that's a tick at the end not a J. Edit: There are a few duplications, you've also got it listed lower down. A few of those Republic demos are ideas that were never used, they don't align to finished tracks at all. MT One is definitely what eventually turned into MTO, and it'll be because of the Roland MT32, which was used extensively on Technique. Thanks for all these, Johnny. Do any of the others for 'Republic' line up with actual finished tracks?

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perspexorange		#59 Posted : 14 January 2021 01:01:25(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James Two working titles from WFTSC/Lost Sirens were 'Scott Walker' and 'Madonna'. I can't remember which tracks they were though, which one has a Scott Walker sample? I think Madonna might have been Hellbent. According to this page, 'Recoil' samples from 'The Seventh Seal' by Scott Walker. http://forums.neworderon...osts&m=7001#post7001 Never knew that (but then I don't know a lot of Scott Walker).

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Michael Monkhouse		#60 Posted : 14 January 2021 01:04:42(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Originally Posted by: thehappyone https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone. Hey mate, my post was pure speculation, except Ick, which I read on Denis' site. I wouldn't put it out as true, in particular, ahem, Gillian's G String. Yeah, I remember 'Madonna', but not which one - maybe Hellbent. Hooky used the name Aleph (STYT) in an interview about bringing back old tracks for the Sirens tour. There was also Atmosphere / Chance and Decades / Cross of Iron. Guts might've been an advance on one of their first songs, Gutz for Garterz. Revenge and Monaco went through a few title changes too: http://forums.neworderon...ts&m=29719#post29719 Edited by user 14 January 2021 05:23:42(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Johnny James		#61 Posted : 14 January 2021 01:30:10(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 450 Location: UK Was thanked: 1036 time(s) in 450 post(s)		Another, it appears Chosen Time was tentatively titled 'Flow' briefly, see the master tape photographed in the Movement book.

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Michael Monkhouse		#62 Posted : 14 January 2021 05:02:17(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count.

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Jcp7		#63 Posted : 14 January 2021 07:01:02(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 559 Location: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France Thanks: 12 times Was thanked: 697 time(s) in 561 post(s)		I thought Madonna was Sugarcane.
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Andy		#64 Posted : 14 January 2021 08:59:50(UTC)
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Michael Monkhouse		#65 Posted : 14 January 2021 09:01:29(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		No, Jcp7. Madonna is misogynistic, soft porn bullshit that puts the feminist movement back 8632 years and was instrumental in creating the ridiculous and ultimately dangerous myth that a woman who degrades her body is not a victim or a prostitute but a new form of self-empowerment. Not Sugarcane. Edited by user 14 January 2021 09:02:34(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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daftpunk		#66 Posted : 14 January 2021 17:23:32(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 13/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: USA Thanks: 12 times Was thanked: 53 time(s) in 33 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: thehappyone https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone. Ruined is Big Chord, that's a tick at the end not a J. Edit: There are a few duplications, you've also got it listed lower down. A few of those Republic demos are ideas that were never used, they don't align to finished tracks at all. MT One is definitely what eventually turned into MTO, and it'll be because of the Roland MT32, which was used extensively on Technique. Please Johnny, help ensure these demos are on one of the Republic box set bonus discs, instead of more of the same recycled mixes that are already on compilations, Retro, Rest Of, the original CD single releases, etc.! =)

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perspexorange		#67 Posted : 15 January 2021 12:52:31(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count. Yeah, the ones that were performed in LA in 1990 with different titles were: Gangster (Big House) Reality (Sun) Tighten Up (Donald) Soviet (Cinematic)

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Michael Monkhouse		#68 Posted : 16 January 2021 00:22:39(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Yeah... Wah-Wah was from the Hassie gig.

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Michael Monkhouse		#69 Posted : 10 November 2021 11:27:31(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count. Yeah, the ones that were performed in LA in 1990 with different titles were: Gangster (Big House) Reality (Sun) Tighten Up (Donald) Soviet (Cinematic) Just reading the rerelease liner notes and Johnny also mentions 'Tuesday' and 'Bells' (cos it had Bells on it'). 17.57 - 18.07 https://youtu.be/XAkcx7AnWM0 Edited by user 10 November 2021 11:35:07(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#70 Posted : 10 November 2021 11:36:25(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Just reading the rerelease liner notes and Johnny also mentions 'Tuesday' and 'Bells' (cos it had Bells on it'). 17.57 - 18.07 https://youtu.be/XAkcx7AnWM0 Hmmm. Didn't know this. Ta for info. 'Bells' could be 'Some Distant Memory' at a guess. I absolutely LOVE that track. Gorgeous.

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Michael Monkhouse		#71 Posted : 10 November 2021 13:11:06(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		I thought the same. I wasn't gonna buy the 'Lec double pack when I spotted it at the store but I'm chuffed I finally did. So great to revisit THAT album and some mixes and Bsides I haven't spun for decades. I LOVED the first Electronic bout. Edited by user 10 November 2021 13:12:03(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#72 Posted : 10 November 2021 13:23:13(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Yep! The first Electronic LP has a special place in my heart. Reminds me of good times. I think it's probably a little dated in parts, but I don't care. It's still great. The only track I never really liked at the time was 'Feel Every Beat', but it's grown on me over the years. Also, those B-Sides were just great; Lucky Bag, Free Will, Second To None, Lean To The Inside. I wonder what that 'Tuesday' track was. The only songs unaccounted for were the aforementioned b-sides. Might've been one of them.

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Michael Monkhouse		#73 Posted : 10 November 2021 14:42:14(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Fuck knows. I'd imagine the title refers to its recording rather than the actual content. If you're right, it could be Free Will cos they played that live at Shitty in the Park. There used to be an awesome Electronic fansite FEB but it's disappeared. Nope, I lurved Feel Every Beat and I'm amazed it barely scraped the Top 40. Getting Away With Shit was always the weakest link for me, and I far prefer the album without it. But I'm not sure Tony Wilson did, cos it lead to Brits buying the non-Factory imports that did include it... And let's be honest, Disappointed is a PSB track. I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut... Edited by user 10 November 2021 14:45:08(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#74 Posted : 10 November 2021 15:14:06(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut... Not as far as I know, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong. I love Getting Away With It. It’s my favourite track by them. However, I prefer the LP without it, as I’m used to the standard track listing. Disappointed was good but, yes, more PSBs than Electronic. I will say that I thought the TOTP performance of it, with Bernard playing keyboards, was immensely cool.

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Michael Monkhouse		#75 Posted : 10 November 2021 15:32:45(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut... Not as far as I know, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong. I love Getting Away With It. It’s my favourite track by them. However, I prefer the LP without it, as I’m used to the standard track listing. Disappointed was good but, yes, more PSBs than Electronic. I will say that I thought the TOTP performance of it, with Bernard playing keyboards, was immensely cool. There was a crazy vinyl reissue that ended the first side on GAWI and started the second on Gangster and then Soviet, which seriously disrupts the rhythm. Is Bernard really playing keyboards on that TOTP clip? Has fuck all to do with the track. I saw the Wembley gig with Disappointed and if I remember rightly, Chris and Bernard just sort of stood there.

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