i've been listening to the writing sessions versions
of the album tracks, and have been making notes of
the differences in them.

most of them dont have vocals.

anyways, looking through the tracks

No. Title Length

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1. "Age of Consent" 5:16
2. "We All Stand" 5:14
3. "The Village" 4:37
4. "5 8 6" 7:31 -> instrumental parts

Side two
No. Title Length
1. "Your Silent Face" 6:00
2. "Ultraviolence" 4:52
3. "Ecstasy" 4:25 -> mostly instrumental
4. "Leave Me Alone" 4:40


there is no session or take on 'ultraviolence' though.

there is quite a difference in many of the tracks
in instruments, tempo and key.
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Definitive Edition bonus tracks
No. Title Length

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1. "Age of Consent" (Writing Session Recordings) 4:40
2. "The Village" (Writing Session Recordings) 3:14
3. "5 8 6" (Writing Session Recordings) 3:25
4. "Your Silent Face" (Writing Session Recordings) 5:02
5. "Ecstasy" (Writing Session Recordings) 4:25
6. "Leave Me Alone" (Writing Session Recordings) 4:09
8. "We All Stand" (John Peel Session) 5:25

10. "5 8 6" (John Peel Session) 6:08

12. "Thieves Like Us" (New York Demo #1, 1983) 6:42
13. "Thieves Like Us" (1983 Writing Session Recordings) 2:00
14. "Murder" (Writing Session Recordings) 3:41

15. "Blue Monday" (Writing Session Recordings) 2:10
16. "Blue Monday" (1982 Writing Session Recordings) 5:50
17. "Blue Monday" (Instrumental Outtake; Album Session Recording) 7:19

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1 age of consent

this is a shorter more basic version of the track

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Age of Consent (Writing Session Recordings) 4:40 146.7 bpm
album version "Age of Consent" 5:16 162.0 bpm

there is a HUGE difference in tempo,
the final version is one of the fastest tracks for new order.

the writing session is much slower.


for comparison, we don't have any other takes on the album version,
but here is a recreated album instrumental version (some vocal artifacts in there),
and not cleaned up:

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01 new order - age of consent (album instrumental)

youtube (might be blocked):

alternate:
https://sowndhaus.audio/...onsentalbum-instrumental

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you can hear the synth segments, and the guitars more prominently


i thought about comparing the album version to the session, but its
too hard with the tempo difference, and vocals.

so i tried to match the vocals to the slower session version,
and it sounds very rough, the vocals don't line up properly,
and needed adjustment for the phrases.



i also tried to see what the song would be like
if they were just trying out the bass and drum parts.

01 new order - age of consent (drum bass album dub)
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this is kind of a minimal dub, with mostly bass and drums, pre guitars,synth

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youtube (might be blocked):


alternate:
https://sowndhaus.audio/...-of-consentdrum-bass-dub


here's what a rough demo version with vocals could have sounded like,
now since we're using the album vocals, they are much cleaner sounding
than a rough take, and i'm guessing wildly where they would have come in.

here's a rough picture of the adjustments made to all the vocal phrasing,
as it had to be slowed down, and adjusted for the different phrases.



01 new order - age of consent (rough demo with vocals approximation)
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youtube (might be blocked):


alternate:
https://sowndhaus.audio/...age-of-consentvocal-demo

anyways, i think it sounds interesting with it might have sounded
like if they had added some vocals too it.

obviously they had to retool the song, and completely revamp the
instruments and pace. and bernard had to sing much faster.

i plan on looking at the other songs too.

later
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Edited by user 18 January 2021 13:24:57(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

lots of different ones:
sound forge 6.0
izotope rx8
mixmeister 3.0
audacity 2.x

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izotope rx8, but you will have to use a lot of other software too.

there are lots of plugins and online libraries, open-source programs,
stems splitters, and then you have to go in manually to clean up the
artifacts, etc. there's lots of tutorials on youtube.

later
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next up is we all stand,

a rather slower paced song.

again, made an album instrumental verison of it..
removed most of the vocals, except in a few parts:
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(might be blocked)



here's a more drum, bass, dub of the stripped down song,
with more of bernards singing highlighted.
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(might be blocked)


and the we all stand peel session already has
vocals, so lets try to remove those from them.
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(might be blocked)


and finally, here's a very stripped down peel
sessions versions, focusing on mostly the vocals
with basic instruments. mostly acoustic.
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(might be blocked)

a lot of emotion in the song.

NOTE : Will also be updating blog posts here:
https://surfaceremix.wor...nstrumentals-and-vocals/

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Edited by user 13 January 2021 23:07:47(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

586 is a breakthrough song for new order,

its the precursor to blue monday, and although prime 568 was
the true source and experiment, we also have ecstasy with
more vocoder work on it too.


there's the writing session instrumental version, which is short
and rough, but matches up with the album bpm. 3min:20sec

then we have the album version, and an awesome kraftwerkian peel session
version, which to me is a good as a remix as you will get of it.

there are modern remixes of it to, but anyways.

here some interesting versions.

the album instrumental:

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the album dub:

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and here's taking the writing session version, and adding the
vocals to that.

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for the peel session version, heres the instrumental:

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and the dub:

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here are the edit for this new vocals:


and what it would have sounded like with the studio vocals overlaid:

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Edited by user 18 January 2021 13:59:49(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

ecstasy is the other instrumental track,
this one is heavy on the vocoder,
and is a nice upbeat instrumental.


so taking ecstasy+586 = blue monday, or the beach

so i took some of the samples of out, and made
some dubs:


a more minimal sound with bass
ecstasy (dub1):

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a more synth sound
ecstasy (dub2):

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the writing session version is slightly slower than
the album one, so i sped it up a little bit and
added the vocoder parts back into it.

its more guitar oriented too.

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they're off in timing, but who knows where they
would have ended up.

ecstasy (recording session vocoder)

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Really enjoyed all of these - a fascinating project, and must have been a lot of work for you.

Thanks!

the blue monday writing session is interesting, because of the different synths used in it,

it's basically the same structure, and the vocals fit into it pretty well:

new order - writing session vocal:



and the instrumental outtake is basically the beach, with some minor differences,
but i incorporated the vocals into it also.

the bpm and tempo matched up pretty well.

the writing session is much shorter, and the outtake is almost exactly as long as the beach.


here are some comparison pictures:





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SUPERB work Negative ONE....

Great stuff -1, thanks!