I hadn't noticed that.

A few weeks ago, he mentioned in one of his chats that he had a falling out with Pottsy (or at least had upset him at some point). Presumably he has since made up with him and the relationship is (thankfully) good now.
Whether the above incident was during the time he was writing his JD book, I wouldn't know, but it may possibly explain a reason for the 'non-credit'. Alternatively, it might've been a 'nothing sort of incident' and there's another reason for any non-credit.

Incidentally, in that same chat, he mentioned that he was on bad terms with both Terry Mason and John Simms (of 24HPP fame).

This is not meant as a criticism of Hook, and is merely an observation, but he does seem to fall out with a few people. That is a feature of most of his (very entertaining) chats.
It just seems a shame to not be in a good place with people he once called friends.

Maybe when he says 'fell out' he just means a minor disagreement, rather than anything notable (like his relationship with Bernard, Steve and Gillian).

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In one of his Insta chats he mentioned that the last time he saw Peter Saville they had a big argument...

Totally disagree. It's 'giant fucking cunt'.
It can't always be other people's fault.

My personal favourite was Revenge. He said they were a democracy with 'equally important members' - then didn't put anyone else in the vid, kicked out Hicks and shelved the entire project for Killing Joke. Right on.

I think where he goes wrong is managing to make sure the world knows who he's fallen out with. Everybody falls out with people from time to time, particularly people they work with, don't they? But, yeah, call him a cunt to prove how zen you are about stuff

Maybe we could have a poll?

I don't follow his weekly podcasts but he does seem an attention seeking self-serving type with his endless branded tie-ins. Any news of book no.4?

In the book, Hooky describes his relationship with the band during their work on the Control soundtrack:

"Doing the soundtrack was the last nail in the coffin for New Order. I realized after that me and Barney were poles apart, too far apart, and no one seemed able to bring us back together. I thought our management was useless and Steve seemed lost."

This is all he ever had to say on the matter and is the most simple and measured description of the situation I've heard from him. By the time of his New Order book, everyone was a cunt and things had been going wrong since Power, Corruption & Lies. I think he felt an urge to make people take sides, and ramped up his criticism until people either accepted it, or became sick of hearing it.

I find it ironic that groups that were so anti-rock star like New Order, The Smiths, etc. became undone (or can't reconcile) over issues with their egos.

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Yeah you make a good point there, Andy. Not sure I’d thought of it like that before but yeah, ironic!

Another weird bit from Hooky's Substance:


"TEN BEST NEW ORDER SONGS


1. Thieves Like Us
2. Leave Me Alone
3. Homage
4. Too Late
5. Someone Like You
6. Ruined in a Day (K-Klass Remix)
7. Every Little Counts
8. Age of Consent
9. Temptation
10. Elegia"

I can't argue with anyone choosing #'s 1, 2, 8, 9 & 10 but the others are puzzling. I wouldn't call any of the others bad tracks (well, possibly the unfinished Homage) but among the "TEN BEST"?

Never saw the fuss surrounding Homage (truly). Even with its recent inclusion of the Movement box-set - I think we all had a bootleg copy for years.

Every Little Counts is a bit of fun. Fine when taken in context but otherwise I wouldn't put it in the top 25 New Order tracks, personally. Maybe that's why he included it, to lighten the exercise. Fair enough.

Each to their own. Far be it from me to question his list as er, he was in the band for a considerable length of time.

The K-Klass RIAD is a good shout though, a fairly timeless song and remix to boot.

I always thought his standard line was that Regret was "the last great New Order song". Maybe it finished 11th...