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Mr Discography		#301 Posted : 06 January 2023 03:44:29(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 395 Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 763 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: Fotz Do you mean the "Come in" part by Bernard on start of TLU instrumental? If so, yeah i'd agree. But i assumed Mr Discography was referring to the , admittedly slightly low in the mix , " Ooh ooh ooh-ooh/ Ooh ooh ooh-ooh" at around 5.35 to 5.45 ish on the 12" instrumental. Yeah, the "Come in". I forgot about the "Oohs". Definitely not an instrumental! The same goes for "Turning Point' by Electronic. Yeah, I was on about the "Oohs" - apologies, should have been more specific! Another case of calling a track an instrumental when it's not really is 'Confused Instrumental' (the one on the original 12" and 'Substance' B-sides disc). Loads of vocal excerpts in that one - more like a dub really. Guess it's all semantics and inconsistencies really - life is full of such grey areas! Edited by user 06 January 2023 03:47:08(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Like No Other		#302 Posted : 07 January 2023 13:37:56(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 27/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Beverley Thanks: 818 times Was thanked: 115 time(s) in 55 post(s)		First price reduction I've seen so far - £121.23 on Amazon atm.

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perspexorange		#303 Posted : 08 January 2023 05:25:51(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,384 Location: Salop Thanks: 505 times Was thanked: 3858 time(s) in 2384 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Like No Other First price reduction I've seen so far - £121.23 on Amazon atm. That’s cool. As I’ve pre-ordered through Amazon, I believe they guarantee the lower price the product is listed at between point of ordering and point of release. Hope it keeps dropping between now and the 27th.

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Like No Other		#304 Posted : 08 January 2023 09:44:27(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 27/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Beverley Thanks: 818 times Was thanked: 115 time(s) in 55 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Originally Posted by: Like No Other First price reduction I've seen so far - £121.23 on Amazon atm. That’s cool. As I’ve pre-ordered through Amazon, I believe they guarantee the lower price the product is listed at between point of ordering and point of release. Hope it keeps dropping between now and the 27th. Yep would be a good bonus and still getting it on release date - fingers crossed.

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Fotz		#305 Posted : 09 January 2023 11:01:32(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Like No Other First price reduction I've seen so far - £121.23 on Amazon atm. Encouraging. Very encouraging. Would be great if it dropped again before release. Reckon i'd go for it if price dropped a bit more, to around £100 ish. That'd be a reasonable price IMO. But i'll prob give in before release anyhow and go for the £121 if that's the way it's gonna stay. Somehow it turns out i'm not nearly as skint after christmas and new year as i'd thought i'd be. Really don't know how, but in a better place cashwise than i thought.

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perspexorange		#306 Posted : 09 January 2023 13:35:25(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,384 Location: Salop Thanks: 505 times Was thanked: 3858 time(s) in 2384 post(s)		What I tend to do on things like this is pre-order, then set a reminder in my calendar for a few days before release. That way you can cancel if you want to at the last minute (i.e. before dispatch), but still you 'lock in' the best price. There is always a chance it could go up a little between now and release (probably unlikely, but you never know).

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perspexorange		#307 Posted : 12 January 2023 10:30:45(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,384 Location: Salop Thanks: 505 times Was thanked: 3858 time(s) in 2384 post(s)		Previously unseen, I think:

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Fotz		#308 Posted : 12 January 2023 12:31:31(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		I'm a little surprised Stephen hasn't yet done any radio interviews promoting the box.For the Movement and PCL boxes he was reinforcing his reputation as the hardest working person in the band in terms of doing promo. I think even Bernard did some radio stuff for the Movement box promo. As i recall, for the PCL one it was only Steve. For example, he did a long interview for an Irish station, talking about PCL and the Kilkenny 83 gig. Just seems all strangely quiet considering the box is only a couple of weeks away Edited by user 12 January 2023 12:32:31(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#309 Posted : 12 January 2023 12:47:07(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,384 Location: Salop Thanks: 505 times Was thanked: 3858 time(s) in 2384 post(s)		Agreed. The best thing Steve did for PC&L was that interview with Haslam (I think) where he showed about 5 or 6 live performances which didn’t make the box set. Hopefully we get something similar this time. More classic-era NO goodies is always welcome.

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Fotz		#310 Posted : 12 January 2023 13:02:38(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Maybe there'll be some promo stuff for radio once the box is out there.

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perspexorange		#311 Posted : 12 January 2023 13:26:19(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,384 Location: Salop Thanks: 505 times Was thanked: 3858 time(s) in 2384 post(s)		I really hope so. Maybe one of us should Tweet Stephen to see if he might do something similar to last time. He seems pretty amenable on Twitter. I love S&G. They just seem the nicest people you could ever want to meet.

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negative1		#312 Posted : 12 January 2023 23:43:20(UTC)
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perspexorange		#313 Posted : 13 January 2023 01:55:32(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,384 Location: Salop Thanks: 505 times Was thanked: 3858 time(s) in 2384 post(s)		Originally Posted by: negative1 [skullcrusher demo: later -1 Thanks for the link, -ve1. Sadly, the demo is fairly dull IMO, doesn't really go anywhere, is repetitive and starts to wear by the time it reaches the halfway point (I guess that might be the reason the band recorded a three minute version for the Salvation release). Was kind of hoping that they'd found a vocal version tucked away in the vaults, but realise that this was unlikely (or if one was found, maybe Bernard et al might not have been too keen to release). Still, it'll be nice to have. I've tweeted Steve and Dave Haslam this morning to see if they might do another 'Gorilla TV' episode to showcase stuff that didn't make the cut for the box set (like they did for PC&L). I probably won't get a response, but will update here, if I do. Edited by user 13 January 2023 01:56:05(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#314 Posted : 13 January 2023 05:33:30(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,384 Location: Salop Thanks: 505 times Was thanked: 3858 time(s) in 2384 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange I've tweeted Steve and Dave Haslam this morning to see if they might do another 'Gorilla TV' episode to showcase stuff that didn't make the cut for the box set (like they did for PC&L). I probably won't get a response, but will update here, if I do. No response so far, but Mr Haslam 'liked' my tweet, so he's seen it. You never know, it might spur him on to get something organised with Steve.

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Fotz		#315 Posted : 13 January 2023 07:24:51(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Liked the end of that Skullcrusher demo, Bernard slashes and stabs at his guitar. Hadn't occurred to me before with Skullcrusher how Steve's drumming is quite reminiscent of something from Closer era JD. That kind of rolling, tribal style. Like his drumming on Atrocity Exhibition except much, much faster. Only other NO tracks that spring to mind that have a similar drumming style are Denial and Murder. What a truly fantastic drummer.

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GotBlueEyes		#316 Posted : 13 January 2023 10:49:41(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 341 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 632 time(s) in 340 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotz Liked the end of that Skullcrusher demo, Bernard slashes and stabs at his guitar. Hadn't occurred to me before with Skullcrusher how Steve's drumming is quite reminiscent of something from Closer era JD. That kind of rolling, tribal style. Like his drumming on Atrocity Exhibition except much, much faster. The last minute or so particularly could be Joy Division - you can easily imagine Ian singing over the top of that But i agree it's pretty formless here. Weirdly the Barcelona July 84 soundboard doesn't have the same rolling drum pattern and Bernard seems to have a vocal mostly worked out

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Debaser		#317 Posted : 13 January 2023 11:10:27(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,118 Location: here n there Thanks: 528 times Was thanked: 3199 time(s) in 2140 post(s)		They're calling it a "digital single". Mkay...

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Fotz		#318 Posted : 13 January 2023 11:35:16(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Debaser Mkay... Haha! Love it Hadn't heard "Mkay" in a long time.Thanks for posting.Tickled me that has

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Andy		#319 Posted : 13 January 2023 13:19:29(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,219 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3339 time(s) in 2239 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Debaser They're calling it a "digital single". Mkay... Another misstep from their Social Media Manager. He seems more interested in promoting The Subways than New Order lately.
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tapebias		#320 Posted : 13 January 2023 13:47:41(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 28/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: UK Thanks: 36 times Was thanked: 320 time(s) in 176 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotz Liked the end of that Skullcrusher demo, Bernard slashes and stabs at his guitar. Hadn't occurred to me before with Skullcrusher how Steve's drumming is quite reminiscent of something from Closer era JD. That kind of rolling, tribal style. Like his drumming on Atrocity Exhibition except much, much faster. Only other NO tracks that spring to mind that have a similar drumming style are Denial and Murder. What a truly fantastic drummer. There's a website article, I think on the Electricity Club on why Steve stopped the tribal drumming, can't remember but think it was because it was too much like JD. Face Up was tribal/disco lol..

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Fotz		#321 Posted : 13 January 2023 14:10:35(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Originally Posted by: tapebias Originally Posted by: Fotz Liked the end of that Skullcrusher demo, Bernard slashes and stabs at his guitar. Hadn't occurred to me before with Skullcrusher how Steve's drumming is quite reminiscent of something from Closer era JD. That kind of rolling, tribal style. Like his drumming on Atrocity Exhibition except much, much faster. Only other NO tracks that spring to mind that have a similar drumming style are Denial and Murder. What a truly fantastic drummer. There's a website article, I think on the Electricity Club on why Steve stopped the tribal drumming, can't remember but think it was because it was too much like JD. Face Up was tribal/disco lol.. Oh yeah, even Face Up had Steve doing the tribal drumming style a bit.Vaguely recall he said in an interview that style was his love of Captain Beefheart coming through as a big influence.Beefheart's stuff had a lot of tribal drumming?

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tapebias		#322 Posted : 13 January 2023 15:15:35(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 28/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: UK Thanks: 36 times Was thanked: 320 time(s) in 176 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotz Originally Posted by: tapebias Originally Posted by: Fotz Liked the end of that Skullcrusher demo, Bernard slashes and stabs at his guitar. Hadn't occurred to me before with Skullcrusher how Steve's drumming is quite reminiscent of something from Closer era JD. That kind of rolling, tribal style. Like his drumming on Atrocity Exhibition except much, much faster. Only other NO tracks that spring to mind that have a similar drumming style are Denial and Murder. What a truly fantastic drummer. There's a website article, I think on the Electricity Club on why Steve stopped the tribal drumming, can't remember but think it was because it was too much like JD. Face Up was tribal/disco lol.. Oh yeah, even Face Up had Steve doing the tribal drumming style a bit.Vaguely recall he said in an interview that style was his love of Captain Beefheart coming through as a big influence.Beefheart's stuff had a lot of tribal drumming? I've never heard Beefheart ever but he sounded like a lunatic, not sure if that's good or bad.

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tapebias		#323 Posted : 13 January 2023 15:19:08(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 28/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: UK Thanks: 36 times Was thanked: 320 time(s) in 176 post(s)		I should have said, I got a set of drums in 1982 and learned to play by playing along to JD Still live set, Adam and the Ants LP and Theatre of Hate - Westworld. boom tish crash.

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Fotz		#324 Posted : 15 January 2023 02:50:27(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Originally Posted by: tapebias Originally Posted by: Fotz Originally Posted by: tapebias Originally Posted by: Fotz Liked the end of that Skullcrusher demo, Bernard slashes and stabs at his guitar. Hadn't occurred to me before with Skullcrusher how Steve's drumming is quite reminiscent of something from Closer era JD. That kind of rolling, tribal style. Like his drumming on Atrocity Exhibition except much, much faster. Only other NO tracks that spring to mind that have a similar drumming style are Denial and Murder. What a truly fantastic drummer. There's a website article, I think on the Electricity Club on why Steve stopped the tribal drumming, can't remember but think it was because it was too much like JD. Face Up was tribal/disco lol.. Oh yeah, even Face Up had Steve doing the tribal drumming style a bit.Vaguely recall he said in an interview that style was his love of Captain Beefheart coming through as a big influence.Beefheart's stuff had a lot of tribal drumming? I've never heard Beefheart ever but he sounded like a lunatic, not sure if that's good or bad. I think it was on one of Tim's Listening Parties where Steve said how the drumming on Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica album was an influence for him.Beefheart was one of those artists i've never even attempted to investigate.He was before my time really, or at least , the majority of his output was released before i was at an age i really got into music.I think he was one of those artists whose music that if you get it, it's great but if you don't it'll be impossible to engage with.Think i'd be the latter.But then i've never really tried.

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Fotz		#325 Posted : 19 January 2023 09:05:45(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Pre-odered today from Amazon but the email notification states estimated delivery not until 1st Feb. Bit of a bummer but fingers crossed it turns up on the 27th Jan. Or even the day before as i recall happened with the previous 2 definitive boxes.

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