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Fotz		#451 Posted : 30 January 2023 09:42:10(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,657 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 678 times Was thanked: 3737 time(s) in 2658 post(s)		https://thequietus.com/a...-low-life-box-set-review Edited by user 30 January 2023 09:44:30(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Fotz		#452 Posted : 30 January 2023 11:44:15(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,657 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 678 times Was thanked: 3737 time(s) in 2658 post(s)		Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes I noticed a strange thing in the vinyl grooves on the LP version of Sub-Culture I'm used to seeing the concentric grooves going lighter and darker according to the volume of the music, but I've never seen a track look like this before Almost like a repeating diagonal saw tooth pattern throughout the track. I'm assuming that this is present on all the new pressings, but in theory should be on all the previous vinyl pressings too if it's down to the nature of the audio? Hopefully you can see what I mean in the picture Yes, can see what you mean and can see it on my copy. Can also see it on the 2015 remaster ( was it 2015? ) but no, i can't see it on my old 80s original.

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Fotz		#453 Posted : 30 January 2023 11:47:43(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,657 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 678 times Was thanked: 3737 time(s) in 2658 post(s)		Oh btw, anyone struggling to slip the Obi band back on, i found it seems easier if you slip it on from the bottom end. Dunno why but yeah. Seems to work better for me.

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Debaser		#454 Posted : 30 January 2023 12:50:21(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,118 Location: here n there Thanks: 528 times Was thanked: 3199 time(s) in 2140 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotz https://thequietus.com/articles/32551-new-order-low-life-box-set-review Compare and contrast: From the Dig/Peter Saville link I posted on the previous page: Quote: Elegia The instrumental cut Elegia was originally worked up for the soundtrack to a film i-D magazine intended to commission but which never got off the ground. Nonetheless, the track – which was inspired by Ennio Morricone’s score for the duel scene in Sergio Leone’s classic western For A Few Dollars More – had a haunting grace which affects the listener even without a visual counterpart. From The Quietus review: Quote: there is the definitive, IC-memorialising 17-minute version of ‘Elegia'. It’s utterly superb and on it you can really hear their daily routine of coming in from a club and watching a film together bleeding into the music most clearly, not just with the obvious touchpoint of Ennio Morricone’s Once Upon A Time In The West soundtrack but, whether intentional or not, because it really sounds they are scoring some as yet unseen Dario Argento movie. So were they (A) scoring a movie commissioned by i-D magazine or were they (B) memorialising Ian Curtis, and happening to sound like they were scoring an unseen movie? I suppose you could say both A & B. Sorta. But I'm going for (A).

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Andy		#455 Posted : 31 January 2023 02:02:28(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		They expressly say it had nothing to do with Ian.
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Andy		#456 Posted : 31 January 2023 02:05:56(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Fucking hell. I've just now noticed I have two DVD 2s and no DVD 1. I should have inspected the contents more closely last night. The only weird thing I picked up on initially was that the record, while in its clear plastic sleeve, was not in the inner picture sleeve (w/ Barney and Hooky). It was just at the bottom of the stack. The full saga of my Low-Life box set journey is documented here: Twitter You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll delete your Twitter account...
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perspexorange		#457 Posted : 31 January 2023 06:23:46(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Fun times, eh? Glad you got it sorted and free badges too! That's a win!

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Fotz		#458 Posted : 31 January 2023 06:43:21(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,657 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 678 times Was thanked: 3737 time(s) in 2658 post(s)		Great stuff, Andy. Perfect Kiss and Sub Culture badges included in that set, cool.

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drew		#459 Posted : 31 January 2023 19:19:21(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: bflo ny Thanks: 3 times Was thanked: 47 time(s) in 12 post(s)		I made my own Analog Loyalist special vocal mix of Let’s Go, using a hi-res download of the box version. I used wizardry to hijack the vocal from the best copy of the vocal “demo” (I think we can safely call it an outtake instead), restored some of the ambiance spleeter-type extractions remove to the naked vocal, and mixed it in. I love it. Trying to straight overlay the vocal on top of the Definitive version doesn’t quite work as the Def version has about 15-16 seconds more audio between verses 2 and 3, so I needed to align the last verse separately. Also, I made sure to EQ-match the “demo” to the Definitive version before doing anything else. Thoughts? Let's Go (DC wizardry restoring vocal to Low-Life Definitive version 31 Jan 2023).wav
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GotBlueEyes		#460 Posted : 01 February 2023 01:26:36(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 340 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 628 time(s) in 339 post(s)		Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes I did a very quick and dirty reconstruction of the vocal version of Let's Go, using the vocal extracted from the bootleg version over the new instrumental mix I'm sure someone could do a better job than me, but it's such a shame that a vocal didn't survive https://file.io/6qhHUXKGZGhe As hoped - Drew has done a way better job than I did! Great work mate. Doing the EQ match and spending a bit of time cleaning up the artefacts from the extracted vocal track was well worth the effort <round of applause>

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perspexorange		#461 Posted : 01 February 2023 02:47:25(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Great job! Sounds excellent! And nice to see you here, Mr AnalogLoyalist!

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drew		#462 Posted : 01 February 2023 10:24:19(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: bflo ny Thanks: 3 times Was thanked: 47 time(s) in 12 post(s)		Lest we forget poor “Skullcrusher”, now enhanced with full Barca treatment! This needed a bit more work as the tempos were different but it’s fun. Whoop!
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Mr Discography		#463 Posted : 01 February 2023 10:41:54(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 391 Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 755 time(s) in 392 post(s)		Question for Johnny James. Any news on when we can expect the Low-Life 12" tracks to appear on streaming and download stores? Cheers

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GotBlueEyes		#464 Posted : 01 February 2023 11:42:29(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 340 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 628 time(s) in 339 post(s)		Originally Posted by: drew Lest we forget poor “Skullcrusher”, now enhanced with full Barca treatment! This needed a bit more work as the tempos were different but it’s fun. Whoop! Those lyrics

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drew		#465 Posted : 01 February 2023 16:36:23(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: bflo ny Thanks: 3 times Was thanked: 47 time(s) in 12 post(s)		FLACs of the final “Let’s Go (restored vocal)” and “Skullcrusher (Twat version)”, these are both improvements to the links posted earlier. Edited by user 01 February 2023 16:36:55(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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chronovisor		#466 Posted : 02 February 2023 01:20:10(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 07/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Zealand Was thanked: 26 time(s) in 12 post(s)		Hi altogether! The bundle (the whole thing, incl. t-shirt) arrived today here in New Zealand. It was surprisingly delivered very fast and packed very well. The content is in a perfect condition, as I was hoping. @drew: Well done for these versions of the songs! I just remembered, how long ago was it, when I did "Run 2"? Half an eternity for sure! cheers, chronovisor.
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GotBlueEyes		#467 Posted : 02 February 2023 04:50:04(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 340 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 628 time(s) in 339 post(s)		I keep finding more things of note about this great boxset. In the book, although they have a nice picture of the linen box cassette, they don't reproduce any of the "alternate cover photo" postcards that were included. A shame as it was another excellent variation on the rice paper sleeve design

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Mr. Disco		#468 Posted : 02 February 2023 05:08:36(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 241 Location: Brazil Thanks: 1468 times Was thanked: 509 time(s) in 241 post(s)		Originally Posted by: drew FLACs of the final “Let’s Go (restored vocal)” and “Skullcrusher (Twat version)”, these are both improvements to the links posted earlier. They sound amazing and should have been in the box. Many thanx for sharing!
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Big Al		#469 Posted : 02 February 2023 07:08:30(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 11/03/2015(UTC) Posts: 30 Was thanked: 61 time(s) in 31 post(s)		Delighted I am that this Low-Life box has finally been released. Seriously didn't think I'd see it. Almost certainly won't make it to Brotherhood. I'd heard it was due last October but got pushed back for one reason or another, but at last it's finally here. I must say that on the whole it's really decent but of course there's one or two niggly ommisions that could've nudged it a little closer to perfect. Why no original version of Let's Go? The track was completed and included on the original running order for the album, but was bumped fairly late in the day for two reasons. Firstly, the band (mainly Hooky I understand) were not completely satisfied that it fitted in properly, and secondly the American label wanted TPK on the album, so it was hastily remixed into the album version and then butchered again for a 7" version. I do see that a couple of tech wizards on this forum have dropped the original vocal into the instrumental from the extras disc, and a top job they done too. Now we can finally call off the dogs in the search for that one. Brilliant job guys, thank you so much. I remember at the time the feeling was that it might be a single in the transition period to the next album, which obviously turned out to be Brotherhood........., but alas not! My only other niggle is the lack of HD digital downloads of the singles, particularly TPK. Hopefully they'll materialise soon. Fingers crossed. The new vinyl sounds tremendous, the best i've ever heard it on vinyl, and I still have the first pressing in tip top nick. I even think the HD digital files sound pretty amazing too. All round, really pleased. Now, if there's any young fettlers out there just started collecting, I now have the original Low-life and TPK (with black insert) going a begging. Both in top condition. I also have roughly 300 gigs from the 80's, all digitized from tape into flac files. Many many soundboard recordings amongst them. The folder is about 130GB. Anybody who wants them can send me a usb stick and i'll gladly pass them on. I'm sure there's at least one live version of Let's Go with lyrics, but I may be confusing that with one of the demo's. Have at least 3 really good versions of the original Let's Go amongst them too. ....... and finally, how do you attach a file to a post please. I have an interview from February 1985 in which Hooky mentions the Let's Go situation. That file is 6 or 7mb, so could be emailed if need be.

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perspexorange		#470 Posted : 02 February 2023 08:27:08(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Hmmm. I'd certainly be interested in hearing the interview. Is it audio only or from TV? The only interview I know of from Feb '85 is one for Radio Clyde with Sumner and Hook which was recorded during the Barrowlands gig soundcheck. I'm not sure if you can attach a file, but you could easily share it using https://wetransfer.com. Just click 'I just want to send files', upload it and make sure you select the 'get transfer link' option rather than the 'email transfer' option. Links are good for a week or so.

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Big Al		#471 Posted : 02 February 2023 09:41:40(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 11/03/2015(UTC) Posts: 30 Was thanked: 61 time(s) in 31 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Hmmm. I'd certainly be interested in hearing the interview. Is it audio only or from TV? The only interview I know of from Feb '85 is one for Radio Clyde with Sumner and Hook which was recorded during the Barrowlands gig soundcheck. I'm not sure if you can attach a file, but you could easily share it using https://wetransfer.com. Just click 'I just want to send files', upload it and make sure you select the 'get transfer link' option rather than the 'email transfer' option. Links are good for a week or so. Yes, it's the Radio Clyde one. Created an account with the wetransfer thing, still awaiting an email to confirm my email before I can send anything. Last time I done this to share the Blue Monday and Love Will Tear Us Apart multi tracks I had my account closed down and threats of legal action from the record company. Don't suppose there's any word on when the singles will be available to download? I'll probably end up doing a rip from the vinyl, 'cos I've no patience.

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perspexorange		#472 Posted : 02 February 2023 09:57:31(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Great. Thanks. I think you can upload via WeTransfer without making an account. Or you used to be able to, anyway. I’m looking out for the FLACs for the singles too.

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Debaser		#473 Posted : 02 February 2023 10:05:14(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,118 Location: here n there Thanks: 528 times Was thanked: 3199 time(s) in 2140 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy They expressly say it had nothing to do with Ian. Tell that to page 197 of Hooky's NO book (and his instagram lockdown chats, I forget whch one). [Yes I know Hooky isn't especially reliable]. Speaking of Elegia, this is uploaded just now to YT.

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tapebias		#474 Posted : 02 February 2023 10:23:21(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 28/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: UK Thanks: 36 times Was thanked: 318 time(s) in 176 post(s)		Can anyone advise on Low-life (German Rough Trade) LP. I've been told it "sounds better" than the original UK? Also, over the course of 2 nights in Feb 85 I heard the whole of Low-life live. 7 LL songs one night plus Let's Go instrumental then opened with Elegia the next night plus TPK and one or two from LL. Good times.

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perspexorange		#475 Posted : 02 February 2023 11:50:50(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,380 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3848 time(s) in 2380 post(s)		Originally Posted by: tapebias Also, over the course of 2 nights in Feb 85 I heard the whole of Low-life live. 7 LL songs one night plus Let's Go instrumental then opened with Elegia the next night plus TPK and one or two from LL. Good times. Sounds excellent. I’m a bit jealous, having first seen them a lot later (Reading 1993). That was a fantastic gig, but would’ve loved to have seen them in their heyday. I have a couple of friends who saw them as early as 1980/1981 and one of those even saw JD at The Factory. That’s the equivalent of seeing The Beatles at The Cavern to me.

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