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50poundnote		#1 Posted : 06 February 2023 08:22:46(UTC)
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50poundnote		#2 Posted : 06 February 2023 08:25:36(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 552 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 1076 time(s) in 553 post(s)		I'll backtrack my earlier statements and say it doesn't necessarily need the box set treatment with a book and DVDs, but it needs to be done right, mopping up all the tracks from the reissued 12" singles across multiple CDs, and a nice gatefold double LP.
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Andy		#3 Posted : 06 February 2023 10:56:26(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50poundnote I'll backtrack my earlier statements and say it doesn't necessarily need the box set treatment with a book and DVDs, but it needs to be done right, mopping up all the tracks from the reissued 12" singles across multiple CDs, and a nice gatefold double LP. I tend to agree. I'm not sure there is a lot of bonus audio material from that era but will be happy to be proved wrong. But I do want to believe there would be an increase in available video footage as their profile rose. Although stuff like them lip-synching at San Remo isn't particularly compelling, surely there are other appearances and gig footage that fit better here than in the *Brotherhood* box. Edited by user 06 February 2023 10:58:16(UTC) \| Reason: Sloppy punctuation
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Johnny James		#4 Posted : 06 February 2023 13:04:47(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: 50poundnote I'll backtrack my earlier statements and say it doesn't necessarily need the box set treatment with a book and DVDs, but it needs to be done right, mopping up all the tracks from the reissued 12" singles across multiple CDs, and a nice gatefold double LP. I tend to agree. I'm not sure there is a lot of bonus audio material from that era but will be happy to be proved wrong. But I do want to believe there would be an increase in available video footage as their profile rose. Although stuff like them lip-synching at San Remo isn't particularly compelling, surely there are other appearances and gig footage that fit better here than in the *Brotherhood* box. There isn't much. There's not even a huge amount for Brotherhood.

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Andy		#5 Posted : 06 February 2023 13:42:25(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: 50poundnote I'll backtrack my earlier statements and say it doesn't necessarily need the box set treatment with a book and DVDs, but it needs to be done right, mopping up all the tracks from the reissued 12" singles across multiple CDs, and a nice gatefold double LP. I tend to agree. I'm not sure there is a lot of bonus audio material from that era but will be happy to be proved wrong. But I do want to believe there would be an increase in available video footage as their profile rose. Although stuff like them lip-synching at San Remo isn't particularly compelling, surely there are other appearances and gig footage that fit better here than in the *Brotherhood* box. There isn't much. There's not even a huge amount for Brotherhood. Sad news. I figured *Academy* was a given but it's disappointing to learn that there isn't much available. Still, it's better to learn this now to temper our expectations.
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50poundnote		#6 Posted : 06 February 2023 14:50:54(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 552 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 1076 time(s) in 553 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James There isn't much. There's not even a huge amount for Brotherhood. I really wish there was a soundboard recording of the show at New York City's Pier 84, August 25, 1987 (my 17th birthday). Otherwise known as the Chapter III bootleg, it's my favorite New Order gig, and they play four songs from Brotherhood. Someone could take a shot at combining the known recordings into one composite mix.
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negative1		#7 Posted : 15 February 2023 07:12:53(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,186 Thanks: 934 times Was thanked: 1778 time(s) in 1188 post(s)		i don't know what would be needed on the cd version. besides a remaster. a deluxe version would get out of hand with all the mixes etc. of course, doing a vinyl boxset would be easy. just take all the current remasters. throw in true faith (uk), and true faith remix (australian) and call it a day. Code: so they would be: ------------------ 1 ceremony 1 2 ceremony 2 3 everythings gone green 4 temptation - hurt 5 blue monday 6 confusion 7 thieves like us 8 murder 9 perfect kiss 10 subculture 11 shellshock 12 state of the nation 13 bizarre love triangle 14 true faith 15 true faith remix ===== 1 green New Order – Ceremony Label: Factory – FAC. 33, Factory – FAC 33/12 2 white blue New Order – Ceremony Label: Factory – FAC. 33, Factory – FAC 33/12 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Reissue, Repress, Cream/Blue Sleeve 3 everythings gone green Label: Factory Benelux – FBNL 8 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: Belgium 4 temptation - hurt Label: Factory – fac 63 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: UK 5 blue monday Label: Factory – FAC 73 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: UK 6 confusion Label: Factory – Fac 93 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Embossed Sleeve Country: UK 7 thieves like us Label: Factory – FAC 103 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Stereo Country: UK 8 murder Label: Factory Benelux – FBN 22 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: Belgium 9 perfect kiss Label: Factory – Fac 123 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Stereo, Black Inner Sleeve, MPO Pressing Country: UK 10 subculture Label: Factory – fac 133 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Stereo Country: UK 11 shellshock Label: Factory – Fac 143 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: UK 12 state of the nation Label: Factory – FAC 153 Format: Vinyl, 12", Single, 45 RPM Country: UK 13 bizarre love triangle Label: Factory – FAC 163 Format: Vinyl, 12", Single, 45 RPM Country: UK 14 true faith Label: Factory – Fac 183 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: UK 15 true faith remix Label: Factory Records Australasia – Fac 183R Format: Vinyl, 12", 33 RPM Country: Australia later \| \| \|\| \|\| \|\|\| ne gativ e 1 Edited by user 15 February 2023 07:30:00(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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GotBlueEyes		#8 Posted : 15 February 2023 07:37:52(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 340 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 630 time(s) in 339 post(s)		Originally Posted by: negative1 i don't know what would be needed on the cd version. besides a remaster. a deluxe version would get out of hand with all the mixes etc. of course, doing a vinyl boxset would be easy. just take all the current remasters. throw in true faith (uk), and true faith remix (australian) and call it a day. Code: so they would be: ------------------ 1 ceremony 1 2 ceremony 2 3 everythings gone green 4 temptation - hurt 5 blue monday 6 confusion 7 thieves like us 8 murder 9 perfect kiss 10 subculture 11 shellshock 12 state of the nation 13 bizarre love triangle 14 true faith 15 true faith remix ===== 1 green New Order – Ceremony Label: Factory – FAC. 33, Factory – FAC 33/12 2 white blue New Order – Ceremony Label: Factory – FAC. 33, Factory – FAC 33/12 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Reissue, Repress, Cream/Blue Sleeve 3 everythings gone green Label: Factory Benelux – FBNL 8 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: Belgium 4 temptation - hurt Label: Factory – fac 63 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: UK 5 blue monday Label: Factory – FAC 73 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: UK 6 confusion Label: Factory – Fac 93 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Embossed Sleeve Country: UK 7 thieves like us Label: Factory – FAC 103 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Stereo Country: UK 8 murder Label: Factory Benelux – FBN 22 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: Belgium 9 perfect kiss Label: Factory – Fac 123 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Stereo, Black Inner Sleeve, MPO Pressing Country: UK 10 subculture Label: Factory – fac 133 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, Stereo Country: UK 11 shellshock Label: Factory – Fac 143 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: UK 12 state of the nation Label: Factory – FAC 153 Format: Vinyl, 12", Single, 45 RPM Country: UK 13 bizarre love triangle Label: Factory – FAC 163 Format: Vinyl, 12", Single, 45 RPM Country: UK 14 true faith Label: Factory – Fac 183 Format: Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single Country: UK 15 true faith remix Label: Factory Records Australasia – Fac 183R Format: Vinyl, 12", 33 RPM Country: Australia later \| \| \|\| \|\| \|\|\| ne gativ e 1 Plus the Procession 7" as a bonus ;)

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Mr. Disco		#9 Posted : 26 July 2023 06:05:10(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 242 Location: Brazil Thanks: 1484 times Was thanked: 510 time(s) in 242 post(s)		Stephen just revealed they're going to reissue Substance (including bonus/live tracks??). From 1h17min: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001nsd3
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Debaser		#10 Posted : 26 July 2023 06:51:52(UTC)
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perspexorange		#11 Posted : 26 July 2023 08:14:07(UTC)
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Andy		#12 Posted : 26 July 2023 08:40:25(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Debaser Originally Posted by: Mr. Disco Stephen just revealed they're going to reissue Substance (including bonus/live tracks??). From 1h17min: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001nsd3 Yes, Fotz beat you to it in the Ceremony section. I guess because they discuss the upcoming gigs. But it makes sense to mention the reissue in this thread. Does this count as an announcement of a Definitive Substance set? There is speculation that he meant the Brotherhood box. Would you be able to clarify this, Johnny James?
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Mr Discography		#13 Posted : 26 July 2023 13:52:27(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 392 Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 758 time(s) in 393 post(s)		Good news. Given how far in advance they have to pick tracks and prepare the releases, I guess this means it might be coming between the 'Brotherhood' and 'Technique' definitive editions. Or perhaps an accompanying release at the same time as 'Brotherhood' so the 12" singles from 'State Of The Nation' to 'Blue Monday 1988' can all come out simultaneously without us lot having to worry about whether each should be associated with 'Brotherhood' or 'Substance'! I assume the live versions they spoke about in the interview would be a DVD rather than bonus live CD. I've stated it several times before, but I'd do the following: - Double vinyl with same 12 tracks and versions as original LP (including 1987 re-recordings of 'Temptation' and 'Confusion', 'Substance' edits of 'Shellshock' and 'Sub-Culture' and the full length 'The Perfect Kiss' - which the original LP included) - 3 x CD containing all tracks on the original double cassette release (including 1987 re-recordings of 'Temptation' and 'Confusion' and 'Substance' edits of 'Shellshock', 'Sub-Culture' and 'Hurt' as per the original tracklist), with following changes: --Full length 'The Perfect Kiss' 12", as per the original LP version --Correct version of 'In A Lonely Place' (the original 'Substance' featured the alternate version, not the original 12" version) --Put 'Murder' between 'Lonesome Tonight' and 'Thieves Like Us Instrumental' on CD2 (to make CD1 have the same 12 tracks as the original vinyl) --Obviously get the track titles the right way round for 'Cries & Whispers' followed by 'Mesh' this time! It' s my (and many others') favourite album, so no need to mess with the running order or track selection in any major way - otherwise it ceases to be the 'Substance' I know and love. Also simultaneously release the 7" singles digitally, so they can accompany the 12" singles released digitally so far, and we can finally get digital versions of the B-side edits and Dub edits yet to be released digitally - be great for these to be available on digital stores and streaming at long last. Johnny, now it's been "announced" in some form, anything you can tell us about where in the Definitive Edition schedule the 'Substance' reissue is expected to land? EDIT: But yes, reckon it's very likely Steve meant Brotherhood and said Substance by mistake. Perhaps Johnny can confirm? Edited by user 26 July 2023 14:33:05(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Andy		#14 Posted : 26 July 2023 19:01:08(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		I've always imagined there was a soundboard recording of this made for posterity as it's a very particular setlist. However, I've only ever found the audience recording. The intro to "True Faith" might be problematic for release though, and not just for borrowing "The Passenger"!: Substance.Setlist.fm
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negative1		#15 Posted : 12 September 2023 11:26:34(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,186 Thanks: 934 times Was thanked: 1778 time(s) in 1188 post(s)		Here you go : links and more... 4xcd and 2xcd looks like a good listing... have at it: 4CD Definitive Edition US - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CHV27J7G/?tag=imwan-20 CA - Available for pre-order soon: https://www.amazon.ca/dp...CHV27J7G/?tag=imwanca-20 UK - Available for pre-order soon: https://www.amazon.co.uk...B0CHV27J7G/?tag=imwan-21 2CD Expanded Edition (contains CD1 and CD2 only) US - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CHTM3ZMG/?tag=imwan-20 CA - Available for pre-order soon: https://www.amazon.ca/dp...CHTM3ZMG/?tag=imwanca-20 UK - Available for pre-order soon: https://www.amazon.co.uk...B0CHTM3ZMG/?tag=imwan-21 Tracklist [CD1] 1. Ceremony (Version 2) [2019 Remaster] 2. Everythings Gone Green (2019 Remaster) 3. Temptation '87 (2023 Remaster) 4. Blue Monday (2020 Remaster) 5. Confusion '87 (2023 Remaster) 6. Thieves Like Us (2020 Remaster) 7. The Perfect Kiss (2022 Remaster) 8. Sub-Culture (John Robie Remix) [Substance Edit] [2023 Remaster] 9. Shellshock (Substance Edit) [2023 Remaster] 10. State Of The Nation (2023 Remaster) 11. Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep Pettibone Remix) [2023 Remaster] 12. True Faith (2023 Digital Master) [CD2] 1. In A Lonely Place (2019 Remaster) 2. Procession (2015 Remaster) 3. Cries And Whispers (2019 Remaster) 4. Hurt (Substance Edit) [2023 Remaster] 5. The Beach (2020 Remaster) 6. Confusion (Instrumental) [2020 Remaster] 7. Lonesome Tonight (2020 Remaster) 8. Murder (2020 Remaster) 9. Thieves Like Us (Instrumental) [2020 Remaster] 10. The Kiss Of Death (2022 Remaster) 11. Shame Of The Nation (2023 Remaster) 12. 1963 (2023 Digital Master) [CD3] 1. Ceremony (Version 1) [2019 Remaster] 2. Mesh (2019 Remaster) 3. Temptation (2018 Remaster) 4. Confusion (2020 Remaster) 5. Perfect Pit (2022 Remaster) 6. Dub-Vulture (John Robie Remix) [2022 Remaster] 7. Shellcock (2022 Remaster) 8. Bizarre Dub Triangle (Shep Pettibone Remix) 9. True Dub (Shep Pettibone Remix) [2023 Remaster] 10. Confusion Dub '87 (2023 Remaster) 11. True Faith (Shep Pettibone Remix) [2023 Digital Master] [CD4] 1. Ceremony (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) 2. Everythings Gone Green (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) 3. Temptation (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) 4. Blue Monday (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) 5. Confusion (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) 6. Thieves Like Us (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) 7. The Perfect Kiss (Substance Edit) [Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987] 8. Sub-Culture (Substance Edit) [Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987] 9. Shellshock (Substance Edit) [Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987] 10. State Of The Nation (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) 11. Bizarre Love Triangle (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) 12. True Faith (Live At Irvine Meadows, San Bernadino California, September 1987) later \|\| \| \|\| \| \| \|\| n egat ive 1

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perspexorange		#16 Posted : 12 September 2023 12:04:58(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,382 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3854 time(s) in 2382 post(s)		Wow! This looks nigh on perfect. Everything from the original cassette version, plus bonus original Temptation, original Confusion, Perfect Pit, True Dub, True Faith Remix, Ceremony (original), Confusion Dub '87. Plus Irvine Meadows gig where they played a Substance set. I think the only thing missing of note from 12"s would be Confused Beats and Confusion Rough Mix, which isn't much of a loss (and would be a bit Confusion heavy). Oh, and full Sub-Culture and Shellshock mixes (again, no great loss, given how repetitive they are). Hurt appears to be the edit, as well. Assuming TPK is full-length. Any press release for this? Incidentally, UK links don't work. Edited by user 12 September 2023 12:12:23(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Johnny James		#17 Posted : 12 September 2023 12:08:50(UTC)
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perspexorange		#18 Posted : 12 September 2023 12:10:20(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,382 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3854 time(s) in 2382 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James This is supposed to be embargoed until tomorrow. Proper announcement then. Ace! I look forward to that. Still - looks mighty tasty, Johnny. Take my money already.

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negative1		#19 Posted : 12 September 2023 12:20:51(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,186 Thanks: 934 times Was thanked: 1778 time(s) in 1188 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Wow! This looks nigh on perfect. Everything from the original cassette version, plus bonus original Temptation, original Confusion, Perfect Pit, True Dub, True Faith Remix, Ceremony (original), Confusion Dub '87. Plus Irvine Meadows gig where they played a Substance set. i wouldn't call it perfect, there are still tracks and edits missing. what happened to the paradise remix? and the remix edits? other confusion mixes, etc.. as you mentioned. Quote: Any press release for this? Incidentally, UK links don't work. yes, it said that UK - Available for pre-order soon: later \| \|\| \|\|\| \|\| ne gative 1

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perspexorange		#20 Posted : 12 September 2023 12:45:15(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,382 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3854 time(s) in 2382 post(s)		Originally Posted by: negative1 Originally Posted by: perspexorange Wow! This looks nigh on perfect. i wouldn't call it perfect, there are still tracks and edits missing. what happened to the paradise remix? and the remix edits? other confusion mixes, etc.. as you mentioned. That's why I said 'nigh on', meaning 'near' perfect. I guess they had to make a judgment call. To include full length Hurt, Sub-Culture, Shellshock, 2 x Confusion remixes, Paradise remix would've presumably meant an extra disc, some wasted space, and a fair amount of repetitive remixes (especially Confusion). There's probably a handful of other things too, but nothing major (True Faith 7" remix, exclusive edit of Sub-Culture on the Factory Banelux release, the soundtrack variants of Shellshock etc.), but there's an argument that these aren't the 12" versions anyway, and that's what Substance was all about - 12"s plus b-sides. If you include everything, you have to include 7"s, which would just get a bit stupid (and not what Substance was all about). I guess they could've skipped the Irvine Meadows disc to make room for missing mixes, but I for one am glad that this is included. I'd imagine that the inclusion of that might tempt some fans who are on the fence on buying it, as it's 'new material'. Edited by user 12 September 2023 12:46:25(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Andy		#21 Posted : 12 September 2023 14:09:43(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3336 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James This is supposed to be embargoed until tomorrow. Proper announcement then. Why is this releasing before a Brotherhood box? Is it simply due to it being easier to compile?
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Jcp7		#22 Posted : 12 September 2023 14:25:22(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 559 Location: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France Thanks: 12 times Was thanked: 699 time(s) in 561 post(s)		Confusion Dub '87 (2023 Digital Master) already available. Substance (2023 Expanded Reissue)
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perspexorange		#23 Posted : 12 September 2023 14:39:36(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,382 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3854 time(s) in 2382 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Jcp7 Confusion Dub '87 (2023 Digital Master) already available. Substance (2023 Expanded Reissue) Not sure why all of the qobuz tracks say 2023 Digital Master. Surely they haven’t been remastered again. I think the descriptions given in -ve1’s post are probably more accurate.

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depthcharge		#24 Posted : 12 September 2023 20:41:13(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 16/02/2013(UTC) Posts: 194 Location: Australia Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 326 time(s) in 195 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Not sure why all of the qobuz tracks say 2023 Digital Master. Surely they haven’t been remastered again. I think the descriptions given in -ve1’s post are probably more accurate. Juno has Confusion Dub '87 as a 2023 DM as well.

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Like No Other		#25 Posted : 12 September 2023 21:34:36(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 27/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Beverley Thanks: 814 times Was thanked: 115 time(s) in 55 post(s)		No Box set with vinyl mentioned yet, surely will be a vinyl version even if not a box set?

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