Not sure when you say 'here' you mean this thread or the forum in general. I post a lot in the forum in general because i'm still interested in chatting about the band, be it about the defintive edition box series, the songs and albums in general, old footage or previously unearthed footage and many other NO topics. Doesn't mean i want to pay out a lot of money to go see them live again performing pretty much the same songs i've seen them perform a hundred times before.

Good point D.

I suppose what I was saying is that, annoying as it, you can't really blame them for not knuckling down and writing new songs.

The band have always been a bit glacial when it comes to writing new material. If one can make (much) more money gigging, that'll probably be the option they'll chose.

I understand the various attitudes fans have, and they're certainly all valid.

My attitude is that, at this point, you never know if it will have been your last opportunity. FOMO was certainly a factor when going to New Orleans in March. I should have been satisfied from the three gigs I did last year but you never know... Thoughts of not going to the Miami residency before COVID hit still haunted me.

And when I say last opportunity, I mean someone in the band just might not be up for it next time. And let's hope it's their decision and not a health issue that decides it. I hate to think that way but admit it could be a factor at this stage in Bernard, Gillian and Stephen's lives.

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Sheesh. Well, I managed to get 3 standing tickets with the Three pre-sale for Leeds. I had to borrow a Three phone from someone , and the code they could generate could only be used once. (I wanted to go back in and buy seats for some friends too, which I couldn't get the system to accept at the same time as the standing tickets: but I couldn't.)

I feel the price is sharply more than when I saw them recently (checks notes... oh, 2012. I haven't even seen Music Complete songs yet!). I'm not sure what's changed in their stature exactly but so it goes. I didn't catch MiF which looked incredible and everything post-MiF seems a little inspired by it.

FWIW, there were £45 seated tickets available in the pre-sale for Leeds, but they were in the Gods.

Compared to many of you, I clearly fall on the side of giving the band more slack in regards to the setlists and how it pertains to value for money, etc.

But don't think I can't empathize with you. I'm going through it right now with Echo & the Bunnymen. I love that band, and have been seeing them live just as long as I have New Order (same day and gig in 1987). Although I've seen them fewer times than New Order, memories of their gigs are vague because the set structure, if not the actual setlists have remained remarkably similar over the last 10 years or so. It's actually rare when they don't open a gig with "Going Up".
And I think I've mentioned that the official Twitter account blocked me when I suggested their "Nothing Lasts Forever" medley might need a rest.

I saw them last Fall and granted, Ian was recoving from COVID. But it was hardly any different than the last 5 gigs of theirs I'd seen (other than the fact that Ian sat on a stool the whole time and the set was shorter). Why am I bringing this up?
They're playing a gig only about 65 miles away from me in Saratoga next month. I know odds are it won't be drastically different, but it could very well be my last opportunity to see them. Tickets are $89.50 so figure well over 100 quid with fees. Should I save my money and vacation time (I'm seeing The Sisters of Mercy the same week), or hope for a gig to remember? The Mountain Winery is a lovely venue, it could be inspiring...

Personally, I'm done with Arenas and Festivals; switching between watching a dot on the horizon and a huge TV.

I'd happily do the Castlefield Bowl / MIF (equivalent) / Apollo / Olympia sized gigs if they chose to do them.

I'm happy to pay more to see Neworder than any other band. I refuse to be ripped off as a point of principle but that has a different definition when it comes to Neworder.

Well after my moaning found out as a treat my good lady has arranged for a trip to Copenhagen for a short city break. Same time as new order are there so myself and daughter are now going! First time I’ve ever seen new order abroad so now excited, I now know how a Viking feels.

They've taken out a full page ad in the latest issue of Mojo to let the world now that them and Confidence Man are going on tour, which is more than they've done on the last few UK tours (not that there are many places to put printed adverts these days, this was my last issue of Mojo, I used to subscribe to Q and when that closed down, the subscription transferred over to Mojo and I lasted a year before realising it is the same old shit bands every month and cancelled, unfortunately I did so after they renewed it so I had another twelve months to come to terms with the depth of my error).

For those that want to investigate, there is also a tiny bit near the back about the show they did at Dublin Point in 1993, with a photo of Bernard, Stephen and Gillian alongside it (no idea why they couldn't find one with Peter) and how they didn't play any shows after Reading for five years after that but you can go into a Smiths and read both in less than a couple of minutes, not worth paying for it.

Stephen and Gillian are going to be on Radio 6 next Wednesday morning to 'talk about the tour' which given it doesn't start until late September is making me think ticket sales haven't gone as well as planned?

Caught int. just now.

They said there will be a Substance reissue expanded and to include live versions except Shellshock because they couldn't find a good live recording of it.

Stephen says he'll be doing a third book.

Stephen had Covid duribg the Porto gig in June and the power kept cutting out?

Sorry for not posting link. I was in a rush on break at work and posting from phone.

I'm wondering now if Stephen slipped up saying a Substance expanded reissue and actually meant to say Brotherhood?

Was curious to what Stephen would write about in a third book. Just checked how he concludes his second book and it kind of finishes with Hook leaving in 2007. So i guess book 3 will pick up from there and the post Hook era, return to gigging and Music Complete.