I'm up for it, especially if he beefs up the albums with singles from the period. Take Movement, for many their worst album, for Bernard barely an album at all - yet flanked by two of their best 45s, 'Ceremony' and 'Temptation'. In fact I was hoping he'd get round to it earlier instead of retreading Unknown Pleasures AGAIN.

If anything, it'd be nice to hear Ultraviolence live again.

Now, the question is, will he play the roaring, bass-dominated 1982 version of 5-8-6, or the slightly wimpy one from the album?

He should have quit while he was ahead with the joy division stuff to be honest especially when new order are actively gigging now.

another thing is that its been suggested the light are not doing any new material because of the inevitability of it being given away for free on the internet but that doesnt seem to concern or stop new order from releasing new material in the future?

what exactly is the thinking of the hooky camp?

I've touched on this in another thread, but it is worth repeating. This is a horrific idea. Hooky really needs someone to sit him down and tell him NO. This is doing him no favours at all.

Cashing in is the by product, if i had a guess at what is happening in camp hooky he would be outlining how we are a bunch of internet wankers who dont know what we are talking about (some serious musicians post on this site im sure but anyway) and the punters keep coming to the gigs so stuff them. Id also imagine a fair amount of yes men involved happy to make a few quid on the nostalgia tours and not having a quiet word with hooky for fear of rocking the boat.

its a pity that hooky is in this particular situation but to be honest im happy that new order is gigging and releasing new material and i suppose thats what really matters ultimately.

We All Stand. I'd like to hear that one.

Yes as with the past 3 times we've played a record for the first time at the Factory (UP, Closer & Still), the ticket price includes a donation to mental health charity Mind & Forever Manchester which is a great local charity putting lots of great stuff back into the community.

This of course is always overpowered and buried by the tiresome cries of "cash in! cash in! cash in!", which is pretty ridiculous considering the humongous gigs you've seen them rest of them doing over the past year that at times absolutely dwarfed ours. It's not a cash in, it's simply a musician who loves nothing more than playing live, wanting to play the music he helped create to anyone that would like to hear him do that. If no one wants to hear it, then that's fine, but it turns out people do and are excited, so we promise to give them a fantastic show that we will put our absolute all into & have already started working on 4 months in advance. I really hope to see some of the doubters at a gig so we can attempt to change your minds. The Cathedral gig in particular should be a great evening, cheers..

oh dear...

For the world of me, I cannot imagine Hooky singing 'We All Stand'...

Movement is a fair game, though.

Great stuff on the charity jack but the comment re the others doesn't make sense. They are New Order and simply plying their trade so not surer how it can be classed as cashing in as its there songs with the majority of key performers?

Usual old "Come see the gigs and we'll blow you away" crap. Not interested in the gigs, because the idea is vastly unappealing and only very tenuously linked to the material. Sure, Hooky helped create it, but he didn't sing it. It would be like seeing "Jason Newsted sings '.... And Justice For All'".

Whilst it may all be sunshine and light in Camp Hooky, here's what some of the comments on my FB feed say. This is what people are thinking.

"Fucking hell. As if doing Unknown.Pleasures wasn't bad enough..."

and

"Hooky has officially lost the plot and all of his dignity now. Will someone please put me out of my misery. I actually defended this guy through thick and thin prevously. Lordy do I feel like a fucking idiot."

and

"Is he going to move on to the Electronic back catalogue after this ?"

The comments under the Slicing Up Eyeballs post carry a similar flavour : http://www.slicingupeyeb...t-power-corruption-lies/

Doesn't matter if the gigs are any good or not. Most curious / interested people seem to think this is not a great idea. Nonetheless, we're all sad old internet wankers reading webpages about bands they like whilst most other people probably aren't interested. Not at all the kind of people that bands needs as an audience.

There was a time I'd fly across the world to see him play bass. I wouldn't walk 10 minutes across my local park and see him for free, but no more than that now. I'm not interested in tribute acts.