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#1 Posted : 03 September 2024 10:12:22(UTC)
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We are pleased to announce that New Order's music will be released in Dolby Atmos spatial audio for the first time later this month. Mixed from the original master tapes by Steven Wilson, and overseen by Stephen Morris, the albums 'Movement' and 'Low-Life' along with the single 'Blue Monday' will be available to stream from 20th September.

To celebrate the release, Apple Music in conjunction with Dolby, will be hosting a special one off Q&A with Steven and Stephen at 1900 on 18th September at YES in Manchester.

We will be offering 15 pairs of tickets for fans to attend, on a first come first serve basis. Keep a look out for the link to sign up, coming soon...

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#2 Posted : 03 September 2024 11:47:16(UTC)
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Ah you beat me to it. I was probably gonna post it in the Social Media & Streaming thread, cos I'm not sure that re-doing 40 year old records in Dolby Atmos is something we should get excited about.

Too bad Mr Monkhouse isn't active here these days, I know he loves it when NO re-issue their old stuff in a new way...
I guess they can't keep re-issuing it physically so now they've found a way to reissue it digitally!




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They skipped from Movement to Low Life, so I guess KW1 won't be sounding extra special any time soon.

PS: I know the Chemical Brothers got George Martin's son, Giles to do some Dolby Atmos stuff at Abbey Road for their most recent album (although I don't think it was even the whole album, just a track or two), and I guess if NO ever release anything new, we can expect(?) it to get a Dolby Atmos iteration. But old stuff? Hmmm...
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#3 Posted : 03 September 2024 12:00:58(UTC)
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Could be interesting. I have a 5.1 Bluray set up at home and I've got quite a few of Steven Wilson's surround-sound remixes on blu-ray (mostly XTC) and a few others (VU's Loaded in surround sound is really nice)

Fun to listen to but I don't really know much about Atmos and the step up from 5.1

I assume you need a dedicated Atmos setup? They seem pricey



But the fact NO are doing this makes me think they must believe their is a market for it?

PCL being omitted make me think they maybe can't find the master multitrack tapes?
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#4 Posted : 03 September 2024 13:37:14(UTC)
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I assume you need a dedicated Atmos setup? They seem pricey


I don't subscribe to apple music, but my understanding is that if you stream/download apple music on your phone, the apple app is capable of delivering the dolby atmos stuff to your earphones. I believe airpods are compatible, you may have to check if other brands are.

But don't sue me if I'm wrong on this!

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#5 Posted : 03 September 2024 19:47:20(UTC)
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I don't have a Dolby Atmos speaker set up but i do have headphones that support it, the Sony WH-1000XM5. Often listen through the Amazon Music Unlimited which is the only music streaming i subscribe to. But this New Order in Dolby Atmos will only be avaialable with Apple Music? Have i understood that correct?
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#6 Posted : 04 September 2024 02:02:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
But this New Order in Dolby Atmos will only be avaialable with Apple Music? Have i understood that correct?


I really hope it will be available on Bray. Anyway I will not subscribe to Apple Music for that...
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#7 Posted : 04 September 2024 04:52:56(UTC)
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i think its streaming only.

maybe paul at superdeluxedition will be able to get to put it on bluray audio,.

i don't have an atmos player, but it will still be interesting to hear reviews.

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#8 Posted : 05 September 2024 01:06:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post

my understanding is that if you stream/download apple music on your phone, the apple app is capable of delivering the dolby atmos stuff to your earphones. I believe airpods are compatible, you may have to check if other brands are.


Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
I don't have a Dolby Atmos speaker set up but i do have headphones that support it, the Sony WH-1000XM5.


I've seen Atmos advertised as a feature of certain headphones, but two questions

1) presumably your phone/laptop/whatever device you connect them to has to have the Dolby Atmos decoder in-built?

2) is it any good? I struggle to understand how two in-ear buds can replicate spatial audio in any meaningful/comparable way to multi-speaker in-room setups



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#9 Posted : 05 September 2024 01:50:20(UTC)
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My phone is a Samsung A12 and it supports Dolby Atmos. My laptop doesn't. So i can listen using my phone. Amazon Music Unlimited has quite a lot of stuff in Dolby Atmos.

I my Sony headphones are not in ear buds but the overhead type.

I can notice the difference when listening in Dolby Atmos. Instruments are more seperated and clearer, each has their own place
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#10 Posted : 06 September 2024 02:46:11(UTC)
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I can notice the difference when listening in Dolby Atmos. Instruments are more seperated and clearer, each has their own place


Thanks

I guess with the headphones it's tricking the brain through clever technology, whereas in-room multi-speaker audio, it's physically projecting the sound from different locations

I would be interested to experience/compare the two

Guess I've had a lot of Atmos exposure in the big cinemas in the last few years

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#11 Posted : 22 September 2024 02:14:28(UTC)
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The new ATMOS mixes should be out on streaming now FYI.
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#12 Posted : 23 September 2024 06:56:29(UTC)
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An article on the process with Stephen Morris: IrishMirror.ie
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#13 Posted : 23 September 2024 10:13:33(UTC)
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Interesting read. Thanks for the link, Andy.

They mention not know the origin of the Jeffrey Bernard quote from the start of This Time Of Night.

I've been trying to track this down for a few years, and I strongly suspect that it might be from this programme:

https://genome.ch.bbc.co...09bb4719948c5cadc7116e43

It was broadcast on 21/03/85, so really close to when they were recording the LP. I reckon Steve sampled the TV.

Anyone know for definite? JJ etc?

If anyone has a copy of that TV programme (highly unlikely, but thought I'd ask), I'd like a copy if possible. Just to either confirm or eliminate it as being the Jeffrey Bernard source.
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#14 Posted : 23 September 2024 10:54:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Interesting read. Thanks for the link, Andy.

They mention not know the origin of the Jeffrey Bernard quote from the start of This Time Of Night.

I've been trying to track this down for a few years, and I strongly suspect that it might be from this programme:

https://genome.ch.bbc.co...09bb4719948c5cadc7116e43

It was broadcast on 21/03/85, so really close to when they were recording the LP. I reckon Steve sampled the TV.

Anyone know for definite? JJ etc?

If anyone has a copy of that TV programme (highly unlikely, but thought I'd ask), I'd like a copy if possible. Just to either confirm or eliminate it as being the Jeffrey Bernard source.


I actually tweeted Steve about this and he responded.
He previously thought it was probably from the same programme as the one I suspected. However, from all accounts, it was not... and the original source remains a mystery.
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#15 Posted : 23 September 2024 13:51:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
An article on the process with Stephen Morris: IrishMirror.ie


This was surprisingly good. It gets better as it goes along.

Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Interesting read. Thanks for the link, Andy.

They mention not know the origin of the Jeffrey Bernard quote from the start of This Time Of Night.

I've been trying to track this down for a few years, and I strongly suspect that it might be from this programme:

https://genome.ch.bbc.co...09bb4719948c5cadc7116e43

It was broadcast on 21/03/85, so really close to when they were recording the LP. I reckon Steve sampled the TV.

Anyone know for definite? JJ etc?

If anyone has a copy of that TV programme (highly unlikely, but thought I'd ask), I'd like a copy if possible. Just to either confirm or eliminate it as being the Jeffrey Bernard source.


I actually tweeted Steve about this and he responded.
He previously thought it was probably from the same programme as the one I suspected. However, from all accounts, it was not... and the original source remains a mystery.


Good effort Perspex. I don't know the answer but I guess if anyone else here does, you can get back on twitter and dazzle Steve!

Interesting to hear Steve say it was the first time in more than 40 years he had any pleasure listening to Movement.
For me, the "revelation" moment for Movement was seeing Hook & The Light playing the album live. It had a magic or life to it that I hadn't previously appreciated.

Steven and Stephen clearly got stuck into it:

Quote:
Steve and myself were having conversations about what kind of outboard affects Martin had and was using to create certain echo effects and modulation echo effects on the original mix of Movement


And challenged by Low Life

Quote:
And the only multi-tracks for a five-minute instrumental Elegia were its original epic 17-minute version. Morris compared trying to figure out how the edit for that was pieced together to doing a jigsaw puzzle which had the potential to drive you insane.


In terms of whether forumites like Fotz can listen to this, it does appear to be Apple-only at the moment. That also rules me out for now.

I'd be interested to hear from any "Apple people" on the forum as to what they think of this new iteration. Was it worth the effort by Steven and Stephen?
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I'm Apple through and through.

I've had a listen to Movement but not BM/LL.

Maybe it's my old, old years, but I haven't really noticed anything major.
It just sounds nice and clean.
There were a handful of times where I heard stuff that I don't think I've heard before. Things like backing vox being slightly more prominent in the mix.

I'm not an audiophile, so really not the best person to ask.

Still, I'm happy they've put the effort in. I'm sure it'll be worth it for younger-earred people.


PS As I've mentioned before, Movement wasn't an LP I initially loved, but I think it's awesome now.
I think I always felt the production made the sound a bit too 'dull'.
What was a real revelation to me with the LP was listening to the many brilliant live versions of the tracks. Gave me new perspective on the tracks themselves (rather than me dwelling on the production).

Oh, plus those Cargo mixes on the Definitive Edition were amazing!
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#17 Posted : 25 September 2024 00:23:30(UTC)
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In terms of whether forumites like Fotz can listen to this, it does appear to be Apple-only at the moment. That also rules me out for now.

I'd be interested to hear from any "Apple people" on the forum as to what they think of this new iteration. Was it worth the effort by Steven and Stephen?


Rules me out too - and I have to wonder what the return on investment is here. It's not a physical product they can sell (unless they release it on bluray at some point?) and the only people who can listen to it are

1) those who already have Apple Music (not me) AND
2) have kit that can play dolby atmos (also not me)

I guess there will be a small number of fans so desperate to hear this that they may invest in an Apple Music subscription and the necessary dolby kit - but that ain't me either. At best I'd pay a tenner to go and hear a playback in a cinema auditorium at full blast

I can only assume that Apple funded this and NO/SW just took the money and had their fun

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I don't have an Apple subscription so no for me.
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I don't have an Apple subscription so no for me.


I'm also not an Apple person (iPhone vs. Android is a bit tribal around these parts). For some reason the surround sound/Atmos stuff doesn't really excite me. I remember buying the box set of Depeche Mode's Sounds of the Universe when it came out, which included a surround mix. I listened to it twice.

Perhaps the next track they should release in this format could be the b-side to "Transmisson"...

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#20 Posted : 25 September 2024 13:08:03(UTC)
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Silly question, maybe. But how do I know the mixes are Atmos, or how to find them?
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#21 Posted : 25 September 2024 14:16:47(UTC)
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Silly question, maybe. But how do I know the mixes are Atmos, or how to find them?


It tells you in Apple Music. Can't easily link an image (try this - https://drive.google.com...Mxs16a7g3m8UqHeAS0Fqw59W)
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This completely passed me by - I only found out about it yesterday.

I have Apple Music, played on a Mac mini that connects via HDMI to my 5.1 AV amplifier (HD only; can decode up to Dolby HD/DTS HD Master Audio). Atmos mixes are downmixed such that they come out as a 5.1 multi-channel stream. So, I gave Low Life, Blue Monday then Movement a spin this evening, and thought the mixes were excellent.

In a similar vein to other surround mixes, everything has a bit more space to exist, and the overall sound has a greater clarity. This often gets said, but I noticed things I hadn't heard before, and heard other things in a different light. For me, the dynamic range also seems much better. The placement of sounds in the mix is quite restrained, but an evolution of the original stereo mixes. I think there are many highlights, but Doubts Even Here is a particular one for me.

I think Steven and Stephen are definitely on to something here, and I hope more Atmos mixes are made available. I'd happily pay for physical copies - a decent re-mix feels like a more exciting proposition to me than another remaster (although I'm equally a fan of the excellent Definitive editions). I thoroughly recommend giving these mixes a listen if you are able.

PS it took me a while to find the mixes. Movement is on Apple Music as the 2019 Remaster, Low Life as the 2022 Master; and Blue Monday as the 2023 Digital Master (single). All show the Dolby Atmos and Lossless logos when you select them.
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Despite having Apple AirPod Pros and an Apple Music subscription, Spatial Audio completely passed me by, until New Order announced these Dolby Atmos releases.

Really impressed with the three releases so far, so much so I’ve bought a Sonos Era 300, so I can enjoy them in my sitting room.

Hope, we get PC&L and maybe Unknown Pleasures/Closer in Dolby Atmos too.
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Movement (2019 Remaster), Low Life (2022 Master) and Blue Monday (2023 Digital Master) are available on Qobuz since 19/09/2024 but unfortunately, it seems to be stereo versions. Frown
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