"We actually did write Republic in a New Order fashion with myself, Steve and Gillian [Gilbert] and she really surfaced on that record in particular,” says Hook. “But Barney then came back and when he got his hands on it he re-wrote the whole thing. I would love to hear the original tracks we made.”

Does this mean the rift between him and the group is healing?

"No; not at all after what they did to me. They don't sound like New Order now and I don't think they should be using the name."

Sigh:


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I would love to hear the Republic sessions, myself, very intriguing they basically had an album they were excited about then Bernard came in from Electronic and redid it all. Steve and/or Gillian said much the same thing at some point, I think.
The fact Hooky can even give Gillian a compliment of any sort is progress.

I remember some of the press (NME) around the recording of Republic and Hooky saying along the lines of, "It's going really well...sounds just like me other band (Revenge)!" Well...not quite how it turned out.

This weekend I was listening to the "Fast Forward..." audiobook narrated by Stephen Morris, and at the end of Track 27 (may not line up with other audiobook sources?), which is about the early work on Republic before Barney and Stephen Hague came to the studio. At the end of the track, while Stephen Morris is narrating about how they lost a weeks worth of work due to a digital error and had to recreate, there is music playing that fades in and sounds a lot like it would be one of those early Republic demos...comes in while he is talking about Regret, but don't know if it's the Regret demo.

https://open.spotify.com...oJeZ?si=92e27999c14d415c

I wonder what happened to this, it was supposed to come out this september.

https://djmag.com/news/ex-kraftw...as-bangalter-juan-atkins

Oh very good.

Now that the prospect of a Republic Box Set is more real than it was in the past, I'm curious about these. I suspect someone has worked this out before.

The ticked tracks presumably all made it on to the album, and some are obvious (Regret, Chemical, Spooky One). I seem to remember "Techno" being discussed before, but I can't remember which track it is.
I guess Gillian's 12 String = Avalanche.
Big Chord might be Times Change?

If we can match 'em all up, then I guess we know the titles that didn't make it. Which is what's (potentially) the most intriguing.

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There's a thread somewhere on the forums where we discussed working titles.

Some of these ones were confirmed by Johnny James:

Regret = Regret
Heavy Oboe One = Times Change
Identify = Young Offender
Big Chord = Ruined In A Day
Chemical = Special (probably; I guess it depends when this list was drawn up. Presumably they changed the title somewhere along the line)
Ick One = Vicious Circle
Spooky One = Spooky
Techno = This is either World (which was called 'Techno 1' or 'Tech 2') or Chemical (which was called 'Techno 2')



So that leaves:

Backwards, Seagull, Shedded, Gillian's 12-String, Desperate, Shoot To Kill, 16th Of The 9th, White Diamond, Moderation

By the process of elimination, some of these names will presumably relate to Everyone Everywhere, Liar, Avalanche and either World or Chemical.


Incidentally, other apparent working titles from this period are:

Carry On New Order = Republic (anyone know where this working title was mentioned? Sounds like something Steve would drop into an interview).
New Guitar One = Everyone Everywhere
Misfit = Chemical
Classical One/Unforgiven = Avalanche

What are you basing the suggestion on? I don't hear any 12 string guitar on it (I don't think!)

Of the other tracks - only Everyone Everywhere sounds like it was written on guitar

Incidentally, I wonder what the 'ticks' ('checks', for you Americans out there) next to certain tracks are.

Looking at it, it might well signal tracks that were to make it onto the LP. For all of the ticked ones, we know which tracks they are and we know they appeared on the LP.
The unticked ones presumably didn't make the cut, including Ick One/Vicious Circle.

If this is correct, this would signify that Desperate must be one of the unidentified LP tracks (Everyone Everywhere, Liar, Avalanche and either World or Chemical).

Yes! Thank you for finding it, was kicking myself for not having kept a copy when I saw it.

Hopefully not! I have to think there must be at least another track or two (maybe b-side or soundtrack instrumental somewhere) that one or more members didn't really contribute anything to.

Hooky had a Republic demo tape up for bid in one of his auctions a few years back but it was pulled last-minute...I was chomping at the bit to win that one!