Interesting Broken Promise and Paradise instrumental variations.




Edit: Looks like Andy posted this in the social media thread first. My bad.

Edited by user 14 November 2024 10:05:25(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Thanks so much, look forward to listening to this!

I find this upsetting. Writing Gillian out of the history of the band.

Obviously, I don't know what happened during the writing of this LP or others. Maybe Gillian didn't have too much input; or maybe she contributed loads. Who knows? Certainly not me.

However, one thing I've always loved about the band is the fact that all four names appear on the writing credits.

It's natural that certain songs will have had greater input from individual members from time to time. But, if you look at the New Order credits, you'd never know. Each member gets equally mention.
It felt like they were all 'in it together'. A team. A group of close friends. A family even.

Now... I don't know what I think.

Edited by user 19 November 2024 04:40:18(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Me neither. I agree with you on this.

We know from the Technique Demo tape that one of the tracks had a title of "Gillian's acc one". I seem to recall from the Technique twitter listening party, Gillian talked about getting her bits in when the others weren't in the studio. My understanding is that Avalanche on Republic was really an O2 track (correct me if I'm mistaken). And there was talk that Hook/Morris/Gilbert were coming up with stuff for Republic until Bernard came in and turned it all on its head - or something. And yes as £50 mentioned, Gillian had some keyboard parts ready to go for TF. But prior to 87/88?...

As far as I can tell, Gillian's input increased very slowly during her time with NO. I think even Tony said they brought Gillian in to "help out".
I can't argue with what Hooky has said. After all he's talking about the three remaining members of Joy Division.
Unless we think that JD were A) only good cos of Ian or B) not good at all, then it's not unreasonable to say that the remaining members of JD did have a "great songwriting partnership". As the band have pointed out themselves, you can hear them improving together over JD's short lifespan. I think they had an alachemy or a "magic" as JD, and it's not unfair to say the same about them when they changed name to NO.
Did Gillian contribute much to Brotherhood's songwriting? We don't know. And because of that, I'm not upset by Hooky's comments. Although at the same time I'm aware that some of his past comments (pre-settlement) about Gillian were...less than generous.



I'm not as big a Depeche Mode fan as you Perspex, but I recall people saying that DM were lucky to have another songwriter (Martin Gore) waiting to take over when Vince Clarke left. Quite often a band only has one or maybe two songwriters. I think it's far more rare for all members to be equally adept.
I think Bernard has made it clear in recent years that BLT is very much his baby.

Even Lennon & McCartney said that often one of them was actually the primary songwriter but they would put both of their names in the credits anyway.
Here's Paul conjuring up Get Back (watch George yawning). John walks in near the end of the clip.





I think they're like every other band - not everything was equal in the songwriting. And y'know sometimes complete democracy on songwriting can be a bad thing.
Songs with multiple writing credits are often quite bland or boring (see various boyband/girlband songs, or those collabs you get of various RnB and Hip Hop stars.) Too many cooks...

David Quantick review:

SuperDeluxeEdition.com

Thanks for the link, Andy.

Crikey though! What a pointless review by Quantick.
He just reviews the original LP and only mentions that there are bonus tracks as an afterthought.

Even more incredulous is that it’s a review for SuperDeluxeEdition, a website that is specifically about ‘expanded’ releases of classic LPs.

Anyone who is planning on buying this will know the LP intimately.
What anyone will really want to know is what the bonus stuff is like and whether it’s worth shelling out 160 notes for.
His only comment about this material is ‘enjoyable’.

Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't bother listening to the LP this time around and just posted his thoughts from memory.
Any one of us, having not heard the Definitive Edition yet, could've written what he wrote based on our old knowledge of the LP.

Bah!

Edited by user 20 November 2024 09:37:57(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Agreed.

I considered not posting it (he has several facts wrong) but as it was positive overall, I did. I also posted it on Bluesky, mentioning his inaccuracies, and he replied saying I neglected to mention his "great personal charm and beauty". I've since deleted it and reposted it due to a typo, but his original reply also had a typo (opinioons?)!

Yeah - I think it's definitely worth posting reviews on this thread.

It's just that my overall thought coming away from the review was 'did he actually play the bloody thing'?

It must be nice being a journalist. You get comp-ed beautiful box-sets and get paid to write the most rudimentary of reviews for them.
I reckon he churned that out in 20 minutes, straight after getting the 'phone call asking that he write it.




Sorry guys - negative posts from me today. I must've got out of bed the wrong side today.
Off to the pub in a bit, so that'll no doubt cheer me up. Ready for Friday and the chance for me to dive into the box's contents.

Nice of him to reply. My opinion is that you shouldn't have deleted due to the typo! We all make 'em, and apparently Quantick understood you.

I remember when Music Complete came out, The Quietus was one of the first to put a review online. Luke Turner used some of the 'demo' names for the tracks which were different when the album actually came out. I tweeted him to 'correct' the out of date titles. He did so later that day, but didn't acknowledge me at all.
I suppose it could just be a coincidence that he correted the titles, but I @'d him on one or two other occasions and received no acknowledgement. He ain't that famous. So I reckon Turner is (probably) up his own arse. Only seems to reply to musicians or people he knows.



It's a bit of a faff. But if you're curious, I think this is how:
Upload your photo to a photo hosting website (Imgur spings to mind). Then it should offer you a weblink address for your pic. Then paste that link/address into the "insert image" button here, which is 6 buttons along from the bold button, (when you're typing a post).
And that should be it.

BTW how is BlueSky? Have you dumped Twitter completely? I noticed the Guardian newspaper said they were moving the other day (along with plenty of others). I'm not convinced that a news organisation should do that. They could be on both...

Debaser: I couldn't get the images of the Low-Life badges to appear. I posted the link to Imgur on the Low-Life Definitive Edition thread if anyone is curious.

Interview with Stephen:

https://www.brooklynvega...-next-more-bv-interview/