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Linus Solanki  
#476 Posted : 17 January 2013 04:47:32(UTC)
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Pitchfork gave it a 6.8 which is not bad at all, usually they are very harsh and trash everything, They have a liking for new order.

http://pitchfork.com/rev...lbums/17532-lost-sirens/

This isn't a new New Order album, exactly. During the long, expensive sessions that produced 2005's Waiting for the Sirens' Call, New Order recorded a small pile of extra material, the idea being that they'd get a few more songs down after the subsequent tour and call it another album. But they stopped playing together after 2006, then bassist Peter Hook left the band acrimoniously, and the two camps spent a few years bickering at one another. However, since the return of keyboardist Gillian Gilbert, they've been touring again as, effectively, an oldies act-- minus Hook. (Their set lists last year featured, typically, all of two post-1993 songs, and encores from the Joy Division catalogue.)

Now, following extended tussles over mixes and copyright, they're finally releasing the leftovers from their final sessions with Hook: six previously unheard songs, plus one remixed Sirens' Call track and the awesome "Hellbent", which appeared on the 2011 Joy Division/New Order singles cash-in, Total. Eight songs in a bit under 40 minutes; that's an EP by 2013 standards, but it's longer than either Movement or Brotherhood.

Singer/guitarist Bernard Sumner has called Lost Sirens "a non-completed album, [the likes of] which we've never released before." That's not necessarily evident from listening to it, and they've certainly released a lot of more ragged material in the past. These are densely packed, finely detailed arrangements in New Order's late-80s rock-with-keyboards mode-- much more recognizable as the work of the band that recorded "Dream Attack" than the one that recorded "Fine Time". Sumner's lyrics are, as usual, almost half-baked a tad more often than they're almost profound, and his voice still sounds exactly as clear, earnest, and likeably strained as it did when he was a babyfaced ex-punk with a ridiculous haircut.

A lot of what made 80s-era New Order special, though, was their perpetual fascination with body music and the culture around it-- the way they always latched onto the dance music of the moment, from the tail-end of disco to Latin freestyle to acid house, and reworked it in their own idiom. Lost Sirens obviously can't suggest much familiarity with what's going on in dance clubs in 2013, and it doesn't suggest what was going on there when it was recorded close to a decade ago; the clock stopped for their groove sense around the time they first broke up. ("Hellbent" would sound totally natural mixed out of Primal Scream's Madchester anthem "Loaded.")

Peter Hook's presence on Lost Sirens is, understandably, somewhat muted-- there are a few of his signature fretless bass solos scattered around the album, but this is very much a guitar-driven, Sumner-centered record. Aside from occasional New Order-y instrumental flourishes, it wouldn't be a surprise to learn that these were actually recordings by Sumner's 90s band, Electronic. Even so, every time Hook's bass rears up in the mix-- the lead to the chorus of "Californian Grass", or the instrumental break in "I've Got a Feeling"-- it's a reminder of how well Sumner, Hook, and Stephen Morris always played together, and how their collaboration had an instrumental identity as distinctive as any band's. It's worth noting that the titles of both of those songs echo the Beatles' postponed, bickered-over swan song, Let It Be.

"It's been 10 long years since I've been home," begins "I Told You So", the one song here reprised from Sirens' Call. (The very different mix here sounds more like a rewrite of "All Tomorrow's Parties".) That's a doubly barbed line in this context, made more so by how Sumner follows it a moment later: "It's an occupation I don't like/ But it pays the rent and turns on the light." Maybe New Order have some more albums in them; maybe with Gilbert back in the fold they'll recast themselves as a singles act again. Maybe not. These remnants of their most recent burst of creative fecundity are a decent way for them to go out, if they are indeed going to be playing the hits to pay the rent from here on out. As an album, Lost Sirens isn't at all an embarrassment: it's a document of a band whose range and reach, rather than power, are what has been diminished.
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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#477 Posted : 17 January 2013 07:00:35(UTC)
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Linus Solanki wrote:
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In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.


Sadly in the US it didn't even make the top 200 on I-tunes or Amazon mp3 store, then again they did no promotion at all, it is still not on their official website, i guess they want nothing to do with it, sad VERY sad


Not expected to be a chart topper but maybe you should wait until after the January 22nd release date before making your sad lament.
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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#478 Posted : 17 January 2013 07:05:20(UTC)
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Linus Solanki wrote:
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17532-lost-sirens/

"However, since the return of keyboardist Gillian Gilbert, they've been touring again as, effectively, an oldies act-- minus Hook. (Their set lists last year featured, typically, all of two post-1993 songs, and encores from the Joy Division catalogue.)"



It's interesting that they take New Order to task on this point, considering Hooky's sets. And they played five post-1993 tracks, not two.
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#479 Posted : 17 January 2013 07:05:43(UTC)
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Andy wrote:
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In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.


Sadly in the US it didn't even make the top 200 on I-tunes or Amazon mp3 store, then again they did no promotion at all, it is still not on their official website, i guess they want nothing to do with it, sad VERY sad


Not expected to be a chart topper but maybe you should wait until after the January 22nd release date before making your sad lament.


I guess you are right but the mp3 are already available to buy on i-tunes and amazon, they came out on Jan 15.

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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#480 Posted : 17 January 2013 07:15:16(UTC)
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Linus Solanki wrote:
Andy wrote:
Linus Solanki wrote:
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In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.


Sadly in the US it didn't even make the top 200 on I-tunes or Amazon mp3 store, then again they did no promotion at all, it is still not on their official website, i guess they want nothing to do with it, sad VERY sad


Not expected to be a chart topper but maybe you should wait until after the January 22nd release date before making your sad lament.


I guess you are right


Stop making that face, another spoonfull of strained carrots is coming your way.
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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#481 Posted : 17 January 2013 07:42:26(UTC)
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Andy wrote:
Linus Solanki wrote:
Andy wrote:
Linus Solanki wrote:
JG wrote:
In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.


Sadly in the US it didn't even make the top 200 on I-tunes or Amazon mp3 store, then again they did no promotion at all, it is still not on their official website, i guess they want nothing to do with it, sad VERY sad


Not expected to be a chart topper but maybe you should wait until after the January 22nd release date before making your sad lament.


I guess you are right


Stop making that face, another spoonfull of strained carrots is coming your way.


I was not making any faces, You are right, the album is not out in the US so I should have waited before I say anything, it seems you are the one who is making the faces.
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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#482 Posted : 17 January 2013 11:26:17(UTC)
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The album is out in the US, it's only available digitally and it came out this Tuesday, the 15th. The only way to get the CD or LP in the US is to import it from the UK. The reason Amazon has a January 22nd release date listed is because it takes them a week to get stuff from the UK and distribute it here. I highly doubt this release is going to make any sort of impact in the US, given the bands limited popularity (compared to the UK) and the complete lack of promotion around this release. Rhino US sees this as a release for the fans, it's there digitally for anyone who wants it and if you need a physical CD/LP, you can import it through Amazon.
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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#483 Posted : 17 January 2013 11:31:56(UTC)
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minusthesnake wrote:
The album is out in the US, it's only available digitally and it came out this Tuesday, the 15th. The only way to get the CD or LP in the US is to import it from the UK. The reason Amazon has a January 22nd release date listed is because it takes them a week to get stuff from the UK and distribute it here. I highly doubt this release is going to make any sort of impact in the US, given the bands limited popularity (compared to the UK) and the complete lack of promotion around this release. Rhino US sees this as a release for the fans, it's there digitally for anyone who wants it and if you need a physical CD/LP, you can import it through Amazon.


Do you work for Rhino?
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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#484 Posted : 17 January 2013 11:34:32(UTC)
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No Barcode wrote:
minusthesnake wrote:
The album is out in the US, it's only available digitally and it came out this Tuesday, the 15th. The only way to get the CD or LP in the US is to import it from the UK. The reason Amazon has a January 22nd release date listed is because it takes them a week to get stuff from the UK and distribute it here. I highly doubt this release is going to make any sort of impact in the US, given the bands limited popularity (compared to the UK) and the complete lack of promotion around this release. Rhino US sees this as a release for the fans, it's there digitally for anyone who wants it and if you need a physical CD/LP, you can import it through Amazon.


Do you work for Rhino?


No, but I used to work at Warners (Rhino's parent label) so I can tell you how they think with releases like this.
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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#485 Posted : 17 January 2013 12:00:53(UTC)
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minusthesnake wrote:
The album is out in the US, it's only available digitally and it came out this Tuesday, the 15th. The only way to get the CD or LP in the US is to import it from the UK. The reason Amazon has a January 22nd release date listed is because it takes them a week to get stuff from the UK and distribute it here. I highly doubt this release is going to make any sort of impact in the US, given the bands limited popularity (compared to the UK) and the complete lack of promotion around this release. Rhino US sees this as a release for the fans, it's there digitally for anyone who wants it and if you need a physical CD/LP, you can import it through Amazon.


Thanks, nice to know
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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#486 Posted : 17 January 2013 13:20:01(UTC)
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I was not making any faces, You are right, the album is not out in the US so I should have waited before I say anything, it seems you are the one who is making the faces.


I was referring to your avatar.

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ROCKET MICK on 17/01/2013(UTC)
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#487 Posted : 17 January 2013 15:01:31(UTC)
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I must say I love lost sirens. I rate it in the middle of the previous two albums (better than wtfsc but not as good as get ready).

1) I'll stay with you - same guitar chords as here to stay and u could easily interchange the to songs lyrics. Chorus is superb but verse lyrics a bit naff first verse. Love the intro. Could be a single. 7/10
2) sugarcane - reminds me of Liar (but better). Could be a single. Choppy guitars, gorgeous synths and great vocals and lyrics. Catchy chorus. Very poppy and could be a hit? 8/10
3) Recoil - for me this is the hidden lost track and the highlight on the album. I wish new order did more downbeat songs (I love RIAD and times change). This could be the acoustic sibling of draculas castle. One of barneys best recent vocals deliveries. Lovely acoustic guitar and piano and hooky bass. 9/10
4) Californian grass - reminds me of turn. Great flowing track with excellent guitar parts. The lyrics are complete codswallop but I've grown to like them in a funny grass kids way and I like Barney sings lower octave for verses 7/10
5) Hellbent - I wasn't fussed about this track for Total release but i like this version (although it's probably not much different). Similar sounding to player in the league. 7/10
6) I got a feeling - a different key I think to normal new order. Average track that doesn't quite float my boat 6/10. Growing to like this. Has a strong verse and a great hook for verse (but don't like how he sings "screen". 7/10
7) shake it up - this has a gorgeous melody. Idiot country-esque wah wah guitars and a bit of spooky sounding. Great backing vox panning left to right from hooky. Hooky bass sounds similar to thst on GIAUE. An unexpected chord change for the main chorus.sounds complete and ready to release as a single Love it 9/10
8) I told you so - the least exciting track for me. Although I think the song works better with this mix, more low fi, nice drums,guitar lower in mix. I still not to fussed about it.5/10

Overall 7.5/10

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#488 Posted : 17 January 2013 23:22:28(UTC)
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I've Got A Feeling is hands down the best track on this album.

I prefer the Total version of Hellbent which would have made it a close 2nd. This version makes it a distant 2nd.

The lyrics are so bad in I'll Stay With You, that I just cant bring myself to listen to it again which is a shame. It could have been a good song.

The rest of the tracks should have stayed lost.

I'm huge NO fan but I seem to love half of each NO album and hate the other half. So just getting two awesome tracks here meets my expectations.



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#489 Posted : 18 January 2013 05:22:49(UTC)
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I was not making any faces, You are right, the album is not out in the US so I should have waited before I say anything, it seems you are the one who is making the faces.


I was referring to your avatar.


Oh sorry about that then, hope no hard feelings.
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ROCKET MICK on 18/01/2013(UTC)
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Its not the best song on the album but Sugarcane has been stuck in my head. I don't know if they release a single for Lost Sirens but that track would make sense as it is catchy.

I listened to WFTSC again after Lost Sirens and Lost Sirens to me is a much better sounds album. I told you so's quasi reggae on WFTSC sounds cheesy (and I do like reggae normally).

I think adding Gillian to the mix again will improve the next album but its a shame that Hooky and Barney can't just co-exist for professional reasons.

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#491 Posted : 18 January 2013 07:46:51(UTC)
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Not sure how barley 100 words - half of which don't talk about the actual songs - constitutes a "review"?

The Independent's gone downhill a bit.
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ROCKET MICK on 18/01/2013(UTC)
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#493 Posted : 18 January 2013 09:15:02(UTC)
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Not sure how barley 100 words - half of which don't talk about the actual songs - constitutes a "review"?

The Independent's gone downhill a bit.



In fairness, they've summed it up quite nicely.

"unchallenging semi-electronic pop-rock you'd expect from late-period New Order, complete with lyrics of, to be kind, nursery rhyme simplicity"
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I've Got A Feeling is hands down the best track on this album.

I prefer the Total version of Hellbent which would have made it a close 2nd. This version makes it a distant 2nd.

The lyrics are so bad in I'll Stay With You, that I just cant bring myself to listen to it again which is a shame. It could have been a good song.

The rest of the tracks should have stayed lost.

I'm huge NO fan but I seem to love half of each NO album and hate the other half. So just getting two awesome tracks here meets my expectations.




I've changed I got a feeling to a 7 as its a grower.

Can't tell difference between two hellbent mixes.
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I popped into HMV Oxford street tonight to see if they had Lost Sirens Vinyl/CD edition at a reasonable price (yes HMV was open and people were... buying things). Employee looked it up on the computer: Price £18 (ouch!). Copies in stock: 0. But then he looked up the CD, and these stats showed up: Price £8 (better), 57 sold this week. In stock (18 copies to be exact). 57 ain't exactly a lot considering that particular HMV is probably the biggest record shop left in London (for now).
Anyway I had to have a look at the physical product, and for £8 I couldn't resist buying it. Undecided whether I'll get the vinyl version too now. Rough Trade East told me on the phone yesterday they're selling it for £13.99 (in stock) in case anyone is interested.
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ROCKET MICK on 19/01/2013(UTC)
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One more credit from the CD booklet:
Project Manager: Gary Lancaster.

Now that the thing is out, would occasional NOOLer Gary like to tell us what that involved? Hooky's been claiming recently that it wasn't him causing the delays. So what was the story?
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Mr Jarvo's right, the Independent review ain't too far off the mark about these lyrics of a 'nursey-rhyme simplicity'. The thing is that when you fall in love with a group you fall for everything, even the things that objective observers whinge about. I always used to go on about New Order in '89, then I watched a vid with a friend and he said 'That guy can't really sing, that bass player shouldn't try to hog the stage like that, that synthist looks like she's made of lead, that drummer keeps pulling funny faces'... And I thought 'Yeah, that's what I like, so fuck off.'
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I enjoyed your post Antoz. New Order have been my fave band of the last 25 years and always will be my fave band, whether they make music or not. I am glad I have a copy of Lost Sirens - I've got the cd and vinyl set. Hope they do make a new album. We shall see.
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Just curious... how does the Lost Sirens CD case that comes with the vinyl set differ from the stand alone CD? Or are they the same?
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0_o wrote:
Just curious... how does the Lost Sirens CD case that comes with the vinyl set differ from the stand alone CD? Or are they the same?

they are different
vinyl edition has a card sleeve
the actual cd is as per previews for months
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