Can you imagine how bad demo versions of State of the Nation and Shellshock must be compared to the woeful finished ones. Subculture-Shellshock-State were an unholy trinity of bad singles in a row.

The only thing that kept my faith was I had a tape of BLT live at Hemel Hampstead 85 so knew they must just being going through a spell of taking too many drugs and/or hanging out with John Robie and would be out of their system soon.

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Thanks for the info.

I must've read that at the time (when reading Hooky's book), but have since forgotten it.

I have the AIIWIW demo digitally, but it's a pretty poor recording. You're right - it must've been doing the rounds for 30+ years. Think I originally had it on an old cassette back in the day too.

To be fair, it's not much different from the Brotherhood version (as you'd expect, based on the style of the song).

for once, i'm on the opposite site of the spectrum.

i loved the subculture mixes, stutter effects and all. and of course the 'truer' razormaid remixes, which elevated the album version for those that didn't want
the fancy effects, disco beat, and soul vocalists (although a couple of the razormaid mixes did have a lady singing at the end).

and since there was no album on the horizon, we got both of the incredibly cool non-album tracks, of 'state of the nation', and 'shellshock'.

at this point, i couldn't recognize a saville cover instantly, or new order artwork, but as soon as i saw them, i knew i had to find out what they were (alex!),
and of course they were new order. so they already had me at the artwork.

state of the nation was cool in its downbeat tone, and lyrics, and shellshock has a unique sound to it that no other group besides them could do,
and of course both of them were extended beautifully. i didn't get the 7 inches for any of these until many years later.

so yeah, new order might have been in a decline for some people, and even for me, brotherhood was the last straw for their albums, after low-life was decent,
so i guess it was foretelling the direction they were going to go in, at least to me.

later
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Here's the only remix of Subculture worth anytime in your life.

https://www.youtube.com/...;ab_channel=NoiseRecords

The e-e-e-e-edit! of the John Robie TIGHT! mix .... all those mixes are utter garbage. "Dubvulture" is the worst New Order b-side of the Factory years, chased up very tightly by "Shame Of The Nation" and "Shellcock", the common denominator between all three being John Robie.

I always find it laughable that when John Robie appears in NewOrderStory during his intro, he's clearly playing some new track he's very proud of because he's knows he's going to be on the New Order documentary ..... nobody would play a song they didn't think was any good... and the track is playing is boring.

Here’s an interesting thing about PFD.

Did you know that the DVD version is a slightly different video mix to the VHS?
There are certain bits we here different camera angles are used. I can’t remember where exactly, but they’re definitely subtly different.

I have the DVD from Japan, but my VHS copy, and a means of playing it, are long gone.

...and "interesting" is subjective (heresy to a collector, I know).

I dunno guys.
I come here to talk a bit of New Order (weird eh?) and it seems that this is getting up people's noses a bit.

Sorry I spoke...

My VHS is also gone. All I have is the DVD, so its hard to spot any differences throughout the gig, but that intro most certainly wasn't on the original tape:

“Interesting is subjective” seems to me to be saying “this isn't interesting, it’s boring and of no interest to me and/or possibly others”.

Unless I’m mistaken.

I’ll be fascinated to get hold of and listen to a remastered Perfect Kiss 12”

Hey, Johnny James, what's the over/under on this getting announced around the time EEE is released?

That's a real shame. I was hoping the release frequency would increase as each one came out. Looking back, I think 'Movement' was announced about 4 months before it came out in April 2019, and 'PCL' just two months before its October 2020 release. So on past form, we're looking at 2-4 months between the announcement of the next one and its release. If 'Low-life' won't be announced soon, guess it'll not come out until 2022 now - or late 2021 at the very earliest if we're lucky.

Purely speculative on my part, but assuming the 18 months between the first two becomes the norm for the subsequent releases, we're looking at a very long term campaign to get to the end of these definitive editions - potentially as long as another ten years.

I see three likely schedules:

Studio albums only:

• Movement - April 2019
  
• Power, Corruption & Lies - October 2020
  
• Low-life - April 2022
  
• Brotherhood - October 2023
  
• Technique - April 2025
  
• Republic - October 2026
  
• Get Ready - April 2028
  
• Waiting For The Sirens' Call / Lost Sirens - October 2029
  

Studio albums + Substance in original chronological release order (the albums and order I hope they come out in):

• Movement - April 2019
  
• Power, Corruption & Lies - October 2020
  
• Low-life - April 2022
  
• Brotherhood - October 2023
  
• Substance - April 2025 (although not yet confirmed this will get a Definitive Edition)
  
• Technique - October 2026
  
• Republic - April 2028
  
• Get Ready - October 2029
  
• Waiting For The Sirens' Call / Lost Sirens - April 2031(!)
  

Studio albums + Substance at end of the campaign:

• Movement - April 2019
  
• Power, Corruption & Lies - October 2020
  
• Low-life - April 2022
  
• Brotherhood - October 2023
  
• Technique - April 2025
  
• Republic - October 2026
  
• Get Ready - April 2028
  
• Waiting For The Sirens' Call / Lost Sirens - October 2029
  
• Substance - April 2031(!) (although not yet confirmed this will get a Definitive Edition)
  

This does make me wonder if the campaign will make it past Technique, in reality. Only time will tell, I guess...

Keep up the great work regardless, Johnny!

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